Chronos Chronicles


July 1997 Part Five

Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:37:55 -0700
Subject: Re: OH:Killer meme applications

HA! most of us don't even understand our own symbols anymore, silly. That's the blasted problem!!!

I would trade tit for tat for this exquisite example the Memetic Gay-Bashing of Anita Bryant which Gurudas has burnt into my awareness. If she had only Known what she was doing symbolically, or got the joke about *fruit* that she was playing on herself, while others suffered it...

So if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a meme, or just a bad example about observer-created reality?

Peace!
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:08:55 -0700
Subject: Tricksters & Trickster Gods

hmmm, pranks and trickster gods might make interesting list subjects. Hopefully,

In my traditions, it was the Gods and the literary characters who suffered the prat falls, largely so that real mortals wouldn't have to... I don't suppose other traditions are really different, except at times of any reverence to deities... likewise of course the Native American tricksters are commonly considered Negative cultural-heroes, those who we do Not emulate.

Maybe Tricksters and a real lifetime of not emulating them Are good practice for resisting retaliating and not letting negativity become contagious as it all too easily does? But I will have some puckish Wolf/ Coyote thing about how it is acceptable to tirade to see how well others take it, as part of getting to know them, and that would be sheer and utter b.s. at the moment, even though I burn with the question for how someone can ever decide that the way grown people act when they are ill, tired and p*ssy is the way that they really are, and that any good things were all just an act? I have nothing to say at the moment other than total honesty and being Diligently yourself might be a lot safer than dabbling in illusions, if you treasure what really matters...

At a higher level, part of the Trickstery is actual shape-shifting, and the philosophies of what is really what and who is really who can take on considerable depth here. (What are you really if you can be anything, and how do you really know who or what you're sleeping with! )

There Are deep and lasting answers at the heart of it, if anyone would like to go there... just nothing to make people totally perfect, I suppose...?...

Peace!
Chronos Apollonios // ChroniApolloni@webtv.net ~~Fight World Hunger, Give Seeds, the Gift that Keeps on Giving! The World Seed Fund, c/o Abundant Life Seed Foundation, PO Box 772/ 1029 Lawrence St., Port Townsend, WA 98368. Donations accepted include Seeds; write for details.

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:25:56 -0700
Subject: Re: A question on memetics

I think you understand correctly, although I have been already driving at memetics being ultimately the way in which ALL information is transmitted, even apart form human conciousness. I have suggested plants and minerals for example as carriers and receivers... I will not be surprised if physics streamlined to "Information and Energy" could have Meme substituted for the word Information.

Mmm, hmm, rather sharp on speaking of the "meme-meme", ie, meta-meme, and will hopefully reward an intelligent question with an intellegent answer any second now. I may be a little confused here by striving and struggling to employ concepts like David Bohm's "Implicate and Explicate Order" onto the "meta" function...

I am also doing what newbies do with a foreign race, and tripping over trying to generalize if they are *all friendly*...

Peace!

Chronos Apollonios // ChroniApolloni@webtv.net ~~Fight World Hunger, Give Seeds, the Gift that Keeps on Giving! The World Seed Fund, c/o Abundant Life Seed Foundation, PO Box 772/ 1029 Lawrence St., Port Townsend, WA 98368. Donations accepted include Seeds; write for details.

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:46:37 -0700
Subject: OH: Causal Linkages & Castaneda

In the previous discussion on Casual/Causal Linkages, perhaps attention should have been payed to the Castaneda texts... again, not that I think Carlos isn't a naughty Coyote who cannot be taken without a large grain of Salt Woman, but the incessant references to fibers of energy or whatever are correspondent to similar sounding things in the other examples. I do feel that this is a remarkable exercise in this area, even if many of these turn out to be more mundane (simply magnetic flux?) or arbitrary in the sense that they are self-created, observer created, subjective and quite possibly only in the eye of the beholder in many cases, and could as easily and as meaningfully appear as bread crumbs or marbles if you wished.

(Indeed I have never heard anyone wonder if auras are there or not when no one is looking for them, or heard them subjected to scrutiny in the context of observer created reality)

(It may be the most unfortunate of oversights in this realm to overlook that the Eagle trying to eat one's subtle self is merely the Earth's magnetic feild probably reabsorbing borrowed magnetic flux which is Not even clearly the self but yet remains to be proved if what couples body to soul; hopefully the worst that this entails is that one's conciousness remains earthbound and incarnate as opposed to the hysterical premise of annihiliation. But that being the case, how to tell which Causual threads or magnetic flux or probability threads or subquantum filaments or whatever the heck they are, are truly alive, and which are purely mechanical?

And then I will have to stop to wonder if occult materialization devices can read what's good for you off your aura, giving early warnings like Iridology, if your aura is comprised of such filaments (I actually pulled out & coined "Heissenberg Ion" here, that is, if you know where the Sodium is and how fast it's going, how do you have any idea where the Chlorine is, it could be outside playing in the yard, hence the three or four inches away form the body for a dielectric differential whatzit is nothing)

Peace!
Chronos Apollonios // ChroniApolloni@webtv.net ~~Fight World Hunger, Give Seeds, the Gift that Keeps on Giving! The World Seed Fund, c/o Abundant Life Seed Foundation, PO Box 772/ 1029 Lawrence St., Port Townsend, WA 98368. Donations accepted include Seeds; write for details.

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:11:36 -0700
Subject: Re: A question on memetics

You know with a title like "Virus of the Mind" it is hard not to view Memes themselves as not possibly friendly. I haven't put it past them at all that they are feild-resonance projections OF viruses, I am rather disturbed in the sense that certain disinfectant herbs are notiorious for also altering the *timbre* of human communication, the Wormwood group in particular (and Where Sagebrush flourishes too perpetually, food is not growing, people are not fed, not living, not alive, and look, pal, We Gotta Talk About This! So maybe you can just spray Lysol on memes, or light some incense, but anyway, some or all microbial bodies are known for the ability to suppost a sheath of alkali ions (the moon is also becoming noted for this, strangely?, o horned goddess of moon and fertility)

And anytime they are causing anything form confusion through torment, it may mean antagonization of ATP, the molecule of life, giving them too much incommon with the most sordid pictures you could possibly paint of Candidiasis, or probably anything else. (I swear if we actually had brains left we would Never let our kids sign up for Phys Ed just because of the communal showering, at least not without a second thought, and probably cut off our hands before giving them sugar.)

But then I'd have to talk about how humans only eat because the first thing any microorganism wants to do to a Stable human form is to cause it to break down and start initiating the process of assimilation and relacement, and the second thing it wants to do is initiate birth of woman. What it gets is a warm pile of dung to be sucessful in, and humans born infected... in the long run, it gets our corpses for a warm pile of dung to be successful in, which is something at least that the great and brilliant Theosophists implied in one of their smaller words…

And there are just too many farmers out there to talk about all this, mind you, and they all have shotguns, so I will not talk about those studies where if you do not feed your intestinal flora the right grit of bran muffins, they will secrete Oestrogen, in men or women... sounds suspicous to me, izzat catabolic then or just diabolic?

No one wants to go there, right? Probably in one of those Blame-it-All-On-Your-Thyroids books, I'll have to dig up the photocopys. Might be Langer and Scheer, and Dr. Bella Broda or Broda Bella or Bella Lugosi or something... if you must...

Peace!
Chronos Apollonios // ChroniApolloni@webtv.net ~~Fight World Hunger, Give Seeds, the Gift that Keeps on Giving! The World Seed Fund, c/o Abundant Life Seed Foundation, PO Box 772/ 1029 Lawrence St., Port Townsend, WA 98368. Donations accepted include Seeds; write for details.

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