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theorama2000
Super Stallion

1965 mustang 2+2


Registered: January 2002
Location: orange county ca

EFI the cheapest way

i read alot of posts on here about converting to efi, and on windsor fox ect, but they dont answer my original question. k,
lets say i went to a junk yard and found a 89 or whatever mutsang with the 5.0 HO and a T5, and i took EVERYTHING:engine, all wires, all parts of engine, trans, driveshaft...EVERYTHING from radiator to drive shaft, what else would i need/need to do to put whole thing into a 65 fastback? thanks alot for info

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T5, heavy duty clutch; cable clutch
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Ozsum67
Too much thin air

1967 Coupe


Registered: January 2002
Location: Colorado

Well, you'd sure need the computer to run the fuel injection, and maybe have to do a fab for a wire harness. Probably have to mod the drive shaft as well. Don't forget the fuel delivery system and upgraded fuel lines.

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theorama2000
Super Stallion

1965 mustang 2+2


Registered: January 2002
Location: orange county ca

wouldnt these things come in the car, so you could just take them out of the original car and use them again? like the computer and wirin harness, they were obviously there before so y cant i just rip them out and use them on my car?

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65 2+2 289 factory 4V maaco red
T5, heavy duty clutch; cable clutch
1"down springs, 1" down arms, 1" thick bar, the whole deal, granadas
Holley 600, full pertronix ignition
driver / fix as money comes in....
www.angelfire.com/film/theospics

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Ozsum67
Too much thin air

1967 Coupe


Registered: January 2002
Location: Colorado

Fuel lines are bigger and the fuel pump pumps at a greater pressure. They probably wouldn't fit with the right bends and such. Fuel tank connection would have to be fabbed. The wiring harness wouldn't work on the gauge end because of different gauges. The computer would work if installed properly.

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DrkPhanstm
Conversion King

'66 Coupe- 200 I6 '01 Jetta TDI


Registered: December 1999
Location: Small Town Oklahoma

the wiring harness would have to be modified to work correctly.
I dont think the driveshaft would work at all. I believe foxbodies have a considerably shorter driveshaft. The radiator wouldnt fit either. You'd still have to come up with a crossmember for the T5 as well

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theorama2000
Super Stallion

1965 mustang 2+2


Registered: January 2002
Location: orange county ca

ok, i get it bout the fuel stuff. about the wiring, couldnt u just use the harness from the computer to the engine, and not worry about the gauges? none of my gauges now are run off actual engine stuff cept the aftermarket water temp and aftermarket oil pressure? those wirin harnesses from windsorfox are like 600$

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65 2+2 289 factory 4V maaco red
T5, heavy duty clutch; cable clutch
1"down springs, 1" down arms, 1" thick bar, the whole deal, granadas
Holley 600, full pertronix ignition
driver / fix as money comes in....
www.angelfire.com/film/theospics

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TurboDoctor
Super Stanger

66 Gt Fastback, 62 Impala SS, 62 Vw


Registered: January 2002
Location: San Marcos, Texas(Austin)

You can use the harness from the later mustang and just omit the gauge wires all together and route your own gauge wires to your guages. From what I have been able to gather thats how most people have done it. other than the fuel system lines and high pressure fuel pump the engine fits right in. You need a t-5 cross member and a hydro or manual clutch set up. alot of venders sell those. you can keep your stock drive line but it need to be shortnend to work behind the t-5. You will either have have to change water pumps or ratiators do to the lower radiator hose exists on different sides. agin lots of venders sell both options.its a really straight forward swap.theres just a few little tedious odds and ends to the swap but the gppd thing is all the parts are available from numerous suppliers and depending on how auto savy you are it can all be done for pretty much for free if you can mix and match parts and do you own fabbing when and where required. Another route would be a Edelbrock or holly EFI set up wich just bolts inplace of your old intake

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foghorn67
Super Stallion

1967 Mustang Coupe


Registered: January 2002
Location: Orange County, in the governor's regime of California

It's a very popular mod. You wouldn't have problems with the actual conversion parts. There is plenty of vendors out there wanting there share of this craze.

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Ozsum67
Too much thin air

1967 Coupe


Registered: January 2002
Location: Colorado

Glad to see everyone is in agreement....drive shaft and wire harness.

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Glen's 1965 5.0
Stanger

1965 Mustang


Registered: February 2001
Location: Tomball,Texas

EFI

theorama2000
Check out my 5.0 install on my tech page. I detailed it the best I could and was going cheap at the time. A frame rail mount pump for a mid 80's Ford F150 with DUAL tanks will handle your fuel supply.

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jroth83
Stanger

1968 C-code Sprint coupe


Registered: November 2000
Location: North SF Bay (Now Easton, Pa.)

i know jack about EFI, but i think the edelbrock EFI seems very cool. its a lot of money, but which would be cheaper, and would the same fuel/guage stuff apply?

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samwe
Super Stanger

1970 5.0 EFI AOD MII


Registered: June 1999
Location: Anchorage, Ak, USA

There is a tech article at www.ford-trucks.com that is very informative and a must read before trying to do this conversion.

My suggestion is to read every article, or FAQ from someone who has done it, then proceed.

I did mine low buck and it turned out fine.
I am about to completely dissasemble the harness and put it back together after customizing some.

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1966 Mustang Coupe, T5 and EFI conv.


Registered: February 2002
Location: School in Ellensburg but home and mustang in north Seattle, WA.

done it. Used an 87 convert. pulled the computer, harness, motor trans and all things connected to the wire harness (everything). some crap you wont end up needing but you can always throw it away. Get the driveshaft too, have the ends put on a new one, with the 5.0 yoke, I shattered the crap out of mine because it was too weak. oh and go the the library and get a Diagram to help ya with the wiring. there are only a few wires that need to be spliced to the 66 system. its not a big deal once you get it all figured out. Cannot use: radiator. However you can get away with running no smog pump, even without one of those delete things. I just got a different belt size and took off the A/C. that entaled me getting the non a/c powersteering bracket (which by the way the 5.0 pump works just modify the hose and plug it into your PS box ) anyhow there are corners to cut all over the place but just think before you go cutting corners. and also remember you have to run a reverse rotating fan. any more questions emial me at fraserp@cwu.edu

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theorama2000
Super Stallion

1965 mustang 2+2


Registered: January 2002
Location: orange county ca

thanks for all the info. id REALLY like to do this swap in the near future. i mean i love my 37 year old 289 with rust coving the whole inside of the block, and i dont even know what kinda crap is stuck in the head and intake, but the 5.0s are just so sweet. i bet if i got a job at this one shop thats almost mustang specific i could pull it off pretty cheaply. hey 66efi, did u get ur stuff from a wrecked car? or just get one for cheap? how much would this stuff be, like maybe at a junkyard? is it possible to buy an ok car, pull everythin u need and sell the body, make a few dollars back? anyways, thanks again guys.

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65 2+2 289 factory 4V maaco red
T5, heavy duty clutch; cable clutch
1"down springs, 1" down arms, 1" thick bar, the whole deal, granadas
Holley 600, full pertronix ignition
driver / fix as money comes in....
www.angelfire.com/film/theospics

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samwe
Super Stanger

1970 5.0 EFI AOD MII


Registered: June 1999
Location: Anchorage, Ak, USA

I bought a wrecked car.

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1966EFI
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1966 Mustang Coupe, T5 and EFI conv.


Registered: February 2002
Location: School in Ellensburg but home and mustang in north Seattle, WA.

Sorry i havn't got back to you.

Theroma2000, I got the stuff out of an old convertable that nobody would have ever used again. It wasn't wrecked at all but just a peice of junk. After i was done with the wrecker hauled it away for free. You might make a few bucks but i doubt it. I'd be happy if I ended up 3-400 in the hole. From my experience, this swap isn't cheap at all, however if you know what to look for and what does and doesn't work, it's not too bad. I suggest checking out some swaps and concidering your options. Have a good one.

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xoxbxfx
Super Stallion

1969 Coupe Restomod


Registered: May 2001
Location: Southlake, TX

swapper

well this is an old thread but has some good info

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geegee
Super Stallion

1965 Mustang 2+2, 1998 Mustang Coupe


Registered: October 2000
Location: near Oklahoma City, OK

Re: EFI the cheapest way

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Originally posted by theorama2000
i read alot of posts on here about converting to efi, and on windsor fox ect, but they dont answer my original question. k,
lets say i went to a junk yard and found a 89 or whatever mutsang with the 5.0 HO and a T5, and i took EVERYTHING:engine, all wires, all parts of engine, trans, driveshaft...EVERYTHING from radiator to drive shaft, what else would i need/need to do to put whole thing into a 65 fastback? thanks alot for info



I can give you a few tidbits not covered since I researched this issue when installing a Motorsport 5.0L and T5 in my '65 fastback.

* my car lacked power steering and so I wondered how I'd use the power steering pump. I looked for a replacement idler bracket but found none available at that time. I've since seen one available. If you have power steering you'll have to have custom hoses made up.

* you'll need a conversion radiator with water inlet on drivers side. NPD sells this radiator. I chose to use all classic accessories on my 5.0L so I used the original style radiator and a three-bolt conversion harmonic balancer from NPD. I found the lower radiator hose to work fine but the upper didn't fit well. I found that a '64 Ford Galaxie 289 upper radiator hose fit perfectly.

* you'll likely need to weld oxygen sensor bosses onto your chosen headers or head pipes. You can get these at several Mustang vendors.

* if you alter the pollution control system be sure to cap the holes in the back of the heads after removing the pollution system plumbing. These holes go into the exhaust stream and leaving the holes open gives you a severe exhaust leak. I plugged the holes with a cap screw shortened a tad bit.

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