THE GREENBAUM SPEECH of D.C. HAMMOND

Mind Control Research

We've got a lot to cover today and let me give you a rough approximate 
outline of the things that I'd like us to get into. 

First, let me ask how many of you have had at least one course or workshop 
on hypnosis? Can I see the hands? Wonderful. That makes our job easier. 
Okay. I want to start off by talking a little about trance-training and the 
use of hypnotic phenomena with an MPD dissociative-disorder population, to 
talk some about unconscious exploration, methods of doing that, the use of 
imagery and symbolic imagery techniques for managing physical symptoms, 
input overload, things like that. 

Before the day's out, I want to spend some time talking about something I 
think has been completely neglected in the field of dissociative disorder, 
and that's talking about methods of profound calming for automatic 
hyper-arousal that's been conditioned in these patients. We're going to 
spend a considerable length of time talking about age-regression and 
abreaction in working through a trauma.

I'll show you with a non-MPD patient -- some of that kind of work -- and 
then extrapolate from what I find so similar and different with MPD cases. 
Part of that, I would add, by the way, is that I've been very sensitive 
through the years about taping MPD cases or ritual-abuse cases, part of it 
being that some of that feels a little like using patients and I think that 
this population has been used enough. That's part of the reason, by choice, 
that I don't generally videotape my work. 

I also want to talk a bunch about hypnotic relapse-prevention strategies and 
post-integration therapy today. Finally, I hope to find somewhere in our 
time-frame to spend on hour or so talking specifically about ritual abuse 
and about mind-control programming and brainwashing -- how it's done, how to 
get on the inside with that -- which is a topic that in the past I haven't 
been willing to speak about publicly, have done that in small groups and in 
consultations, but recently decided that it was high time that somebody 
started doing it. So we're going to talk about specifics today. 

 [Applause] 

In Chicago at the first international congress where ritual abuse was 
talked about I can remember thinking, "How strange and interesting." I can 
recall many people listening to an example given that somebody thought was 
so idiosyncratic and rare, and all the people coming up after saying, "Gee, 
you're treating one, too? You're in Seattle"...Well, I'm in Toronto...Well, 
I'm in Florida...Well, I'm in Cincinnati." I didn't know what to think at 
that point. 

It wasn't too long after that I found my first ritual-abuse patient in 
somebody I was already treating and we hadn't gotten that deep yet. Things 
in that case made me very curious about the use of mind-control techniques 
and hypnosis and other brainwashing techniques. So I started studying 
brainwashing and some of the literature in that area and became acquainted 
with, in fact, one of the people who'd written one of the better books in 
that area. Then I decided to do a survey, and from the ISSMP&D 
[International Society for the Study of Multiple Personality and 
Dissociation] folks I picked out about a dozen and a half therapists that I 
thought were seeing more of that than probably anyone else around and I 
started surveying them. 

The interview protocol, that I had, got the same reaction almost without 
exception. Those therapists said, "You're asking questions I don't know the 
answers to. You're asking more specific questions than I've ever asked my 
patients." Many of those same therapists said, "Let me ask those questions 
and I'll get back to you with the answer." Many of them not only got back 
with answers, but said, "You've got to talk to this patient or these two 
patients." I ended up doing hundred of dollars worth of telephone 
interviewing. 

What I came out of that was a grasp of a variety of brainwashing methods 
being used all over the country. I started to hear some similarities. 
Whereas I hadn't known, to begin with, how widespread things were, I was now 
getting a feeling that there were a lot of people reporting some similar 
things and that there must be some degree of communication here. Then 
approximately two and a half years ago I had some material drop in my lap. 
My source was saying a lot of things that I knew were accurate about some of 
the brainwashing, but it was telling me new material I had no idea about. 

At this point I took and decided to check it out in three ritual-abuse 
patients I was seeing at the time. Two of the three had what they were 
describing, in careful inquiry without leading or contaminating. The 
fascinating thing was that as I did a telephone-consult with a therapist 
that I'd been consulting for quite a number of months on an MPD case in 
another state, I told her to inquire about certain things. She said, "Well, 
what are those things?" I said, "I'm not going to tell you, because I don't 
want there to be any possibility of contamination. Just come back to me 
and tell me what the patient says." 

She called me back two hours later, said, "I just had a double session with 
this patient and there was a part of him that said, 'Oh, we're so excited. 
If you know about this stuff, you know how the Cult Programmers get on the 
inside and our therapy is going to go so much faster.'" Many other patients 
since have had a reaction of wanting to pee their pants out of anxiety and 
fear rather than thinking it was wonderful thing. But the interesting thing 
was that she then asked, "What are these things?" They were word perfect -- 
same answers my source had given me. I've since repeated that in many parts 
of the country. I've consulted in eleven states and one foreign country, in 
some cases over the telephone, in some cases in person, in some cases 
giving the therapist information ahead of time and saying, "Be very careful how 
you phrase this. Phrase it in these ways so you don't contaminate." 

In other cases not even giving the therapist information ahead of time so 
they couldn't. When you start to find the same highly esoteric information 
in different states and different countries, from Florida to California, you 
start to get an idea that there's something going on that is very large, 
very well coordinated, with a great deal of communication and systematicness 
to what's happening. So I have gone from someone kind of neutral and not 
knowing what to think about it all to someone who clearly believes ritual 
abuse is real and that the people who say it isn't are either naive like 
people who didn't want to believe the Holocaust or -- they're dirty. 

[Applause] 

Now for a long time I would tell a select group of therapists that I knew 
and trusted, information and say, "Spread it out. Don't spread my name. 
Don't say where it came from. But here's some information. Share it with 
other therapists if you find it's on target, and I'd appreciate your 
feedback." People would question -- in talks -- and say, you know, they were 
hungry for information. Myself, as well as a few others that I've shared it 
with, were hedging out of concern and out of personal threats and out of 
death threats. I finally decided to hell with them. If they're going to kill 
me, they're going to kill me. 

It's time to share more information with therapists. Part of that comes 
because we proceeded so cautiously and slowly, checking things in many 
different locations and find the same thing. So I'm going to give you the 
way in with ritual-abuse programming. I certainly can't tell you everything 
that you want to know in forty-five or fifty minutes, but I'm going to give 
you the essentials to get inside and start working at a new level. I don't 
know what proportion, honestly, of patients have this. I would guess that 
maybe somewhere around at least fifty percent, maybe as high as 
three-quarters, I would guess maybe two- thirds of your ritual-abuse 
patients may have this. 

What do I think the distinguishing characteristic is? If they were raised 
from birth in a mainstream cult or if they were an non-bloodline person, 
meaning neither parent was in the Cult, but Cult people had a lot of access 
to them in early childhood, they may also have it. I have seen more than one 
ritual-abuse patient who clearly had all the kind of ritual things you hear 
about. They seemed very genuine. They talked about all the typical things 
that you hear in this population, but had none of this programming with 
prolonged extensive checking. So I believe in one case I was personally 
treating that she was a kind of schizmatic break-off that had kind of gone 
off and done their own thing and were no longer hooked into a mainstream 
group. 

[Pause] 

Here's where it appears to have come from. At the end of World War II, 
before it even ended, Allen Dulles and people from our Intelligence 
Community were already in Switzerland making contact to get out Nazi 
scientists. As World War II ends, they not only get out rocket scientists, 
but they also get out some Nazi doctors who have been doing mind-control 
research in the camps. 

They brought them to the United States. Along with them was a young boy, a 
teenager, who had been raised in a Hasidic Jewish tradition and a background 
of Cabalistic mysticism that probably appealed to people in the Cult because 
at least by the turn of the century Aleister Crowley had been introducing 
Cabalism into Satanic stuff, if not earlier. I suspect it may have formed 
some bond between them. But he saved his skin by collaborating and being an 
assistant to them in the death-camp experiments. They brought him with them. 

They started doing mind-control research for Military Intelligence in 
military hospitals in the United States. The people that came, the Nazi 
doctors, were Satanists. Subsequently, the boy changed his name, 
Americanized it some, obtained an M.D. degree, became a physician and 
continued this work that appears to be at the center of Cult Programming 
today. His name is known to patients throughout the country. 

[Pause] 

What they basically do is they will get a child and they will start this, 
in basic forms, it appears, by about two and a half after the child's 
already been made dissociative. They'll make him dissociative not only 
through abuse, like sexual abuse, but also things like putting a mousetrap 
on their fingers and teaching the parents, "You do not go in until the child 
stops crying. Only then do you go in and remove it." They start in 
rudimentary forms at about two and a half and kick into high gear, it 
appears, around six or six and a half, continue through adolescence with 
periodic reinforcements in adulthood. 

Basically in the programming the child will be put typically on a gurney. 
They will have an IV in one hand or arm. They'll be strapped down, typically 
naked. There'll be wires attached to their head to monitor 
electroencephalograph patterns. They will see a pulsing light, most often 
described as red, occasionally white or blue. They'll be given, most 
commonly I believe, Demerol. Sometimes it'll be other drugs as well 
depending on the kind of programming. 

They have it, I think, down to a science where they've learned you give so 
much every twenty-five minutes until the programming is done. They then will 
describe a pain on one ear, their right ear generally, where it appears a 
needle has been placed, and they will hear weird, disorienting sounds in 
that ear while they see photic stimulation to drive the brain into a 
brainwave pattern with a pulsing light at a certain frequency not unlike the 
goggles that are now available through Sharper Image and some of those kinds 
of stores. Then, after a suitable period when they're in a certain brainwave 
state, they will begin programming, programming oriented to self-destruction 
and debasement of the person. In a patient at this point in time about eight 
years old who has gone through a great deal early programming took place on 
a military installation. That's not uncommon. 

I've treated and been involved with cases who are part of this original 
mind - control project as well as having their programming on military 
reservations in many cases. We find a lot of connections with the CIA. This 
patient now was in a Cult school, a private Cult school where several of 
these sessions occurred a week. She would go into a room, get all hooked up. 
They would do all of these sorts of things. When she was in the proper 
altered state, now they were no longer having to monitor it with 
electroencephalographs, she also had already had placed on her electrodes, 
one in the vagina, for example, four on the head. Sometimes they'll be on 
other parts of the body. 

They will then begin and they would say to her, "You are angry with someone 
in the group." She'd say, "No, I'm not" and they'd violently shock her. They 
would say the same thing until she complied and didn't make any negative 
response. Then they would continue. "And because you are angry with someone 
in the group," or "When you are angry with someone in the group, you will 
hurt yourself. Do you understand?" She said, "No" and they shocked her. They 
repeated again, "Do you understand?" "Well, yes, but I don't want to." Shock 
her again untill they get compliance. Then they keep adding to it. "And you 
will hurt yourself by cutting yourself. Do you understand?" Maybe she'd say 
yes, but they might say, "We don't believe you" and shock her anyway. "Go 
back and go over it again." They would continue in this sort of fashion. She 
said typically it seemed as though they'd go about thirty minutes, take a 
break for a smoke or something, come back. 

They may review what they'd done and stopped or they might review what 
they'd done and go on to new material. She said the sessions might go half 
an hour, they might go three hours. She estimated three times a week. 
Programming under the influence of drugs in a certain brainwave state and 
with these noises in one ear and them speaking in the other ear, usually the 
left ear, associated with right hemisphere non-dominant brain functioning, 
and with them talking, therefore, and requiring intense concentration, 
intense focusing. Because often they'll have to memorize and say certain 
things back, word-perfect, to avoid punishment, shock, and other kinds of 
things that are occurring. This is basically how a lot of programming goes 
on. Some of it'll also use other typical brainwashing kinds of techniques. 

There will be very standardized types of hypnotic things done at times. 
There'll be sensory deprivation which we know increases suggestibility in 
anyone total sensory deprivation, suggestibility has significantly 
increased, from the research. It's not uncommon for them to use a great deal 
of that, including formal sensory-deprivation chambers before they do 
certain of these things. 

[Pause] 

Now let me give you, because we don't have a lot of time, as much practical 
information as I can. The way that I would inquire as to whether or not some 
of this might be there would be with ideomotor finger-signals. After you've 
set them up I would say, "I want the central inner core of you to take 
control of the finger-signals." Don't ask the unconscious mind. The case 
where you're inquiring about ritual abuse, that's for the central inner 
core. The core is a Cult-created part. "And I want that central inner core 
of you to take control of this hand of these finger-signals and what it has 
for the yes-finger to float up. I want to ask the inner core of you is there 
any part of you, any part of Mary," that's the host's name, "who knows 
anything about Alpha, Beta, Delta, or Theta." 

If you get a Yes, it should raise a red flag that you might have someone 
with formal intensive brainwashing and programming in place. I would then 
ask and say, "I want a part inside who knows something about Alpha, Beta, 
Delta, and Theta to come up to a level where you can speak to me and when 
you're here say, 'I'm here.'" I would not ask if a part was willing to. No 
one's going to particularly want to talk about this. I would just say, "I 
want some part who can tell me about this to come out." Without leading them 
ask them what these things are. I've had consults where I've come in. 
Sometimes I've gotten a Yes to that, but as I've done exploration it 
appeared to be some kind of compliance response or somebody wanting, in two 
or three cases, to appear maybe that they were ritual abuse and maybe they 
were in some way, but with careful inquiry and looking it was obvious that 
they did not have what we were looking for. Let me tell you what these are. 

Let's suppose that this whole front row here are multiples and that she has 
an alter named Helen and she has one named Mary, she has one named Gertrude, 
she has one named Elizabeth, and she has one named Monica. Every one of 
those alters may have put on it a program, perhaps designated 
alpha-zero-zero-nine a Cult person could say, "Alpha-zero-zero-nine" or make 
some kind of hand gesture to indicate this and get the same part out in any 
one of them even though they had different names that they may be known by 
to you. Alphas appear to represent general programming, the first kind of 
things put in. Betas appear to be sexual programs. For example, how to 
perform oral sex in a certain way, how to perform sex in rituals, having to 
do with producing child pornography, directing child pornography, 
prostitution. 

Deltas are killers trained in how to kill in ceremonies. There'll also be 
some self-harm stuff mixed in with that, assassination and killing. Thetas 
are called psychic killers. You know, I had never in my life heard those two 
terms paired together. I'd never heard the words "psychic killers" put 
together, but when you have people in different states, including therapists 
inquiring and asking, "What is Theta," and patients say to them, "Psychic 
killers," it tends to make one a believer that certain things are very 
systematic and very widespread. 

This comes from their belief in psychic sorts of abilities and powers, 
including their ability to psychically communicate with "mother'" including 
their ability to psychically cause somebody to develop a brain aneurysm and 
die. It also is a more future-oriented kind of programming. Then there's 
Omega. I usually don't include that word when I say my first question about 
this or any part inside that knows about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta because 
Omega will shake them even more. Omega has to do with self-destruct 
programming. 

Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. This can include 
self-mutilation as well as killing-themselves programming. Gamma appears to 
be system-protection and deception programming which will provide 
misinformation to you, try to misdirect you, tell you half-truths, protect 
different things inside. There can also be other Greek letters. I'd 
recommend that you go and get your entire Greek alphabet and if you have 
verified that some of this stuff is present and they have given you some of 
the right answers about what some of this material is, and I can't underline 
enough: DO NOT LEAD THEM. Do not say, "Is this killers?" Get the answer from 
them, please. 

When you've done this and it appears to be present, I would take your 
entire Greek alphabet and, with ideomotor signals, go through the alphabet 
and say, "Is there any programming inside associated with epsilon, omicron," 
and go on through. There may be some sytematicness to some of the other 
letter, but I'm not aware of it. I've found, for example, in one case that 
Zeta had to do with the 

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Now there are many different layers of this stuff is the problem. Let me 
come over to the overhead and give some ideas about them. What we have up 
here are innumerable alters. I'll tell you one of the fascinating things 
I've seen. I remember a little over a year ago coming in to see some cases, 
some of the tough cases at a dissociative-disorders unit of a couple of the 
finest of the MPD therapists in this country, who are always part of all the 
international meetings, have lectured internationally. We worked and I look 
at some of their patients. They were amazed at certain things because they 
had not been aware of this before. 

As we worked with some of the patients and confirmed it, I remember one 
woman who'd been inpatient for three years, still was inpatient. Another who 
had one intensive year of inpatient work with all the finest MPD therapy you 
can imagine -- abreactions, integrations, facilitating cooperation, art 
therapy, on and on and on, journaling, intensively for one inpatient year 
followed by an intensive year of outpatient therapy two, three hours a week. 

In both patients we found out that all of this great work had done nothing 
but deal with the alters up here and had not touched the mind-control 
programming. In fact it was not only intact, but we found that the one who 
was outpatient was having her therapy monitored every session by her mother, 
out-of-state, over the telephone, and that she still had intact suggestions 
that had been given to her at a certain future time to kill her therapist. 

Now one of the things that I would very carefully check is, I would suggest 
that you ask the core, not just the unconscious mind, ask the core, "Is 
there any part inside that continues to have contact with people associated 
with the Cult? Is there any part inside who goes to Cult rituals or 
meetings? Is there a recording device inside of Mary," if that's the host's 
name, "a recording device inside so that someone can find out the things 
that are said in sessions?" 

This doesn't mean they're monitored. Many of them just simply have it. "Is 
there someone who debriefs some part inside for what happens in our therapy 
sessions?" I have the very uncomfortable feeling from some past experience 
that when you look at this you will find the large proportion of 
ritual-abuse victims in this country are having their ongoing therapy 
monitored. 

I remember a woman who came in about twenty-four years old, claimed her 
father was a Satanist. Her parents divorced when she was six. After that it 
would only when her father had visitation and he would take her to rituals 
sometimes up until age fifteen. She said, "I haven't gone to anything since 
I was fifteen." Her therapist believed this at face value. We sat in my 
office. We did a two- hour inquiry using hypnosis. We found the 
programming present. 

In addition to that we found that every therapy session was debriefed and 
in fact they had told her to get sick and not come to the appointment with 
me. Another one had been told that I was Cult and that if she came I would 
know that she'd been told not to come and I would punish her. If anything 
meaningful comes out in a patient who's being monitored like that -- from 
what I've learned thus far, they're tortured with electric shocks -- my 
belief is if they're in that situation you can't do meaningful therapy other 
than being supportive and caring and letting them know you care a lot and 
you'll be there to support them. But I wouldn't try to work with any kind of 
deep material or deprogramming with them because I think it can do nothing 
but get them tortured and hurt unless they can get into a safe, secure 
inpatient unit for an extended period of time to do some of the work required. 

I have a feeling that when you make inquiries you're going to find that 
probably greater than fifty percent of these patients, if they're bloodline, 
meaning mother or dad or both involved, will be monitored on some ongoing 
basis. 

[Pause] 

Now when you come below the alters, you then have Alpha, Beta, Delta, 
Theta, so and so forth, the Greek-letter programming and they will then have 
backup programs. There will typically be an erasure code for the backups. 
There may be one code that combines all the backups into one and then an 
erasure code for them, simply one code that erases all the backups. So I 
will get the code for, let's say, Omega and for all the Omega backups at the 
same time. 

After I've asked "What will happen if I give this," I will give the code and 
then I will say, "What are you experiencing?" They often describe computer 
whirring, things erasing, explosions inside, all sorts of interesting 
things. I've had some therapists come back and say, "My Lord, I had never 
said anything about robots she said something about robots vaporizing." I 
remember one therapist who'd been with me in several hypnosis workshops and 
consulted with me about a crisis MPD situation. I told her to inquire about 
Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta. She did. She got back to me saying, "Yeah, I got 
an indication it's there. What is it?" I said, "I'm not going to tell you. 
Go back and inquire about some of this." 

We set an appointment for a week or so hence. She got back with me and 
said, "I asked what Theta was and she said, 'psychic killers.' I asked her 
what Delta was and she said 'killers.'" Okay. So I told her about some of 
this stuff for a two hour consult. She called back and she said, "This 
seemed too fantastic. I heard this and I thought, 'Has Cory been working too 
hard?'" she said, I'm embarrassed to admit it, but she said, "I held you in 
high professional regard, but this just sounded so off in the twilight zone 
that I really thought, 'Is he having a nervous breakdown or something?'" She 
said, "But I respected you enough to ask about this." She said, "I asked 
another MPD patient and she didn't have any of this." 

So in this patient she started describing things and how she worked, for 
example, with an erasure and she was describing things like robots 
vaporizing and kinds of things. She said, "I hadn't told her about any of 
these things." Well, here's the problem. There are different layers and I 
think some of them are designed to keep us going in circles forever. They 
figured we probably, in most cases, wouldn't get below the alters which they 
purposefully created. 

The way you create Manchurian Candidates is you divide the mind. It's 
part of what the Intelligence Community wanted to look at. If you're going 
to get an assassin, you're going to get somebody to go do something, you 
divide the mind. It fascinates me about cases like the assassination of 
Robert Kennedy, where Bernard Diamond, on examining Sirhan Sirhan found that 
he had total amnesia of the killing of Robert Kennedy, but under hypnosis 
could remember it. But despite suggestions he would be able to consciously 
remember, could not remember a thing after he was out of hypnosis. I'd love 
to examine Sirhan Sirhan. 

 It appears that below this we've got some other layers. One is called 
"Green Programming" it appears. Isn't it interesting that the doctor's name 
is Dr. Green? One of the questions in a way that does not contaminate is 
after I've identified some of this stuff is there and they've given me a few 
right answers about what some of it is, "If there were a doctor associated 
with this programming and his name were a color, you know, like Dr. 
Chartreuse or something, if his name were a color, what color would the 
color be?" 

Now once in a while I've had some other colors mentioned in about three or 
four patients that I felt were trying to dissimulate in some way and I don't 
really believe had this. In one case I got another color and I found out 
later it was a doctor whose name was a color who was being trained by Dr. 
Green almost thirty years ago and he supervised part of the programming of 
this woman under this doctor. 

I remember one woman couldn't come up with anything. No alter would speak 
up with anything. I said, "Okay," and we went on to some other material. 
About two minutes later she said, "Green. Do you mean Dr. Green?" We found 
this all over. There appears to be some Green Programming below that and I 
suspect that you get down to fewer and more central programs the deeper you 
go. Well, all Green Programming is Ultra-Green and the Green Tree. 
Cabalistic mysticism is mixed all into this. If you're going to work with 
this you need to pick up a couple of books on the Cabala. One is by a man 
named  Dion Fortune called "Qabala" with a "q," Dion Fortune. 

Another is by Ann Williams-Heller and it's called "The Kabbalah." I knew 
nothing about the Cabala. It was interesting. A patient had sat in my 
waiting area, got there considerably early and drew a detailed multicolored 
Cabalistic Tree over two years ago. It took me two months to figure out what 
it was. Finally, showing it to somebody else who said, "You know? That looks 
an awful lot like the Cabala Tree" and that rang a bell with some esoteric 
in an old book and I dug it out. That was the background of Dr. Green. 

Now the interesting thing about the Green Tree is his original name was 
Greenbaum. What does "greenbaum" mean in German? Green Tree, Ultra-Tree and 
the Green Tree. I've also had patients who didn't appear to know that his 
original name was Greenbaum, volunteered that there were parts inside named 
Mr. Greenbaum. Now let me give you some information about parts inside that 
may be helpful to you if you're going to inquire about these things, because 
my experience is one part will give you some information and either run dry 
or get defensive or scared and stop. And so you punt and you make an end run 
and you come around the other direction, you find another part. 

I'll tell you several parts to ask for and ask if there's a part by this 
name. And, by the way, when I'm screening patients and fiddling around with 
this, I throw in a bunch of spurious ones and ask, "Is there a part inside 
by this name and by that name" as a check on whether or not it appears 
genuine. For example. "In addition to the core," I ask, "is there a part 
inside named Wisdom?" Wisdom is a part of the Cabalistic Tree. Wisdom, I've 
often found, will be helpful and give you a lot of information. "Is there a 
part inside named Diana?" I mean I may throw in all sorts of things. "Is 
there a part inside named Zelda?" I've never encountered one yet! Just to 
see what kind of answers we get. I try to do this carefully. 

Diana is a part that, in the Cabalistic system, is associated with a part 
called the Foundation. You will be fascinated to know that. Remember the 
Process Church? Roman Polanski's wife, Sharon Tate, was killed by the Manson 
Family who were associated with the Process Church? A lot of prominent 
people in Hollywood were associated and then they went underground, the 
books say, in about seventy - eight and vanished? Well, they're alive and 
well in southern Utah. We have a thick file in the Utah Department of Public 
Safety documenting that they moved to southern Utah, north of Monument 
Valley, bought a movie ranch in the desert, renovated it, expanded it, built 
a bunch of buildings there, carefully monitored so that very few people go 
out of there and no one can get in and changed their name. 

A key word in their name is "Foundation." The Foundation. There are some 
other words. The Foundation is part of the Tree. So you can ask, "Is there 
something inside known as The Foundation?" I might ask other things to throw 
people off. "Is there something known as the Sub-Basement?" Well, maybe 
they'll conceive of something. Or "Is there something known as the Walls?" 
There are a variety of questions you can come up with, to sort of screen 
some things. 

I've also found that there will often be a part called "Black Master," a 
part called "Master Programmer," and that there will be computer operators 
inside. How many of you have come into computer things in patients? There 
will typically be computer operators: Computer Operator Black, Computer 
Operator Green, Computer Operator Purple. Sometimes they'll have numbers 
instead, sometimes they'll be called Systems Information Directors. You can 
find out the head one of those. There'll be a source of some information for 
you. I will ask inside, "Is there a part inside named Dr. Green?" You'll 
find that there are, if they have this kind of programming, in my experience. 

Usually with a little work and reframing, you can turn them and help them to 
realize that they were really a child-part who's playing a role and they had 
no choice then, but they do now. You know, they played their role very, very 
well, but they don't have to continue to play it with you because they're 
safe here and in fact, "If the Cult simply found out that you talked to me, 
that they you had shared information with me, you tell me what would they do 
to you?" Emphasize that the only way out is through me and that they need to 
cooperate and share information and help me and that I'll help them. So all 
these parts can give you various information. 

Now they have tried to protect this very carefully. Let me give you an 
example with Ultra-Green. I discovered this -- by the way I used to think 
this programming was only in bloodline people. I've discovered it in 
non-bloodline people, but it's a bit different. They don't want it to be 
just the same. I don't think you'll find deep things like Ultra-Green and 
probably not even Green Programming with non-bloodline people. But let me 
tell you something that I discovered first in a non-bloodline and then in a 
bloodline. We were going along and a patient was close to getting well, 
approaching final integration in a non-bloodline and she suddenly started 
hallucinating and her fingers were becoming hammers and other things like 
that. 

So I used an affect-bridge and we went back and we found that what happened 
was that they gave suggestions, that if she ever got well to a certain point 
she would go crazy. The way they did this was they strapped her down and 
they gave her LSD when she was eight years old. When she began hallucinating 
they inquired about the nature of the hallucinations so they could utilize 
them in good Ericsonian fashion and build on them and then combine the 
drug-effect with powerful suggestions. "If you ever get to this point you 
will go crazy. If you ever get fully integrated and get well you will go 
crazy like this and will be locked up in an institution for the rest of your 
life. They gave those suggestions vigorously and repetitively. 

Finally they introduced other suggestions that, "Rather than have this 
happen, it would be easier to just kill yourself." In a bloodline patient 
then, as I began inquiring about deep material, the patient started to 
experience similar symptoms. We went back and we found the identical things 
were done to her. 

This was called the "Green Bomb." B-O-M-B. Lots of interesting internal 
consistencies like that play on words with Dr. Greenbaum, his original name. 
Now in this case it was done to her at age nine for the first time and then 
only hers was different. Hers was a suggestion for amnesia. "If you ever 
remember anything about Ultra-Green and the Green Tree you will go crazy. 
You will become a vegetable and be locked up forever." 

Then finally the suggestion's added, "And it'll be easier to just kill 
yourself than have that happen to you, if you ever remember it." At age 
twelve then, three years later, they used what sounds like an Amytol 
interview to try to breach the amnesia and find out if they could. They 
couldn't. So then they strapped her down again, took and gave her something 
to kind of paralyze her body, gave her LSD, an even bigger dose and 
reinforced all the suggestions. Did a similar thing at the age of sixteen. 
So these are some of the kind of booby traps you run into. 

There are a number of cases where they combined powerful drug effects like 
this with suggestions to keep us from discovering some of this deeper level 
stuff. What's the bottom? Your guess is as good as mine but I can tell you 
that I've had a lot of therapists who were stymied with these cases who were 
going nowhere. In fact someone here that I told some basic information about 
this to in Ohio a couple of months ago said it opened all sorts of things up 
in a patient who'd been going nowhere. That's an often common thing. 

I think that we can move down to deeper levels and if we deal with some of 
the deeper level stuff it may destroy all the stuff above it. But we don't 
even know that yet. In some of the patients I'm working with we have pretty 
much dealt with a lot of the top-level stuff. I'll tell you how we've done 
some of that.  We'll take and erase one system like Omega. 

Then we will have a huge abreaction of all the memories and feelings in a 
fractionated abreaction associated with those parts. I typically find I'll 
say to them, "Now that we've done this are there any other memories and 
feelings that any parts that were Omega still have?" The answer's usually 
"No." At that point I will say, "I usually find at this point in time the 
majority, if not all, of those parts that used to be Omega no longer feel a 
desire or need to be different, realizing that you split off originally by 
them and want to go home to Mary and become one with her again." 

I use the concept often now -- which came from a patient -- of going home 
and becoming one with her. "Going back from whence you came" is another 
phrase I'll use with them. "Are there any Omega parts inside who do not feel 
comfortable with that or have reservations or concerns about that?" If there 
are we talk to them. We deal with them. A few may not integrate. My 
experience is most of the time they'll integrate and we may integrate 
twenty-five parts at once in a polyfragmented complex MPD. 

 I think it is vitally important to abreact the feelings before you go on. 
Also for many patients it hasn't seemed to matter the order we go in but 
I've found a couple where it has. If it doesn't seem to matter I'll 
typically go Omega, then Delta because they have more violence potential, 
then Gamma to get rid of the self-deception stuff. What I will do before I 
just assume anything and do that, is once we've done Omega and showed them 
that success can occur and something can happen and they feel relief after, 
I will say to them, "I want to ask the core -- through the fingers -- is 
there a specific order in which programs must be erased?" 

You know maybe it doesn't matter but most of the time I found "No." There 
are cases where we found "Yes." I recommend doing one or two or three of 
those because they'll produce relief and and a sense of optimism in the 
patient. But then I would recommend starting to probe for the deeper level 
things and getting their input and recommendations about the order in which 
we go. 

Question?  
Q: What has been the typical age and typical gender of this type of person?  

Dr.H: I know of this being found in men and women. Most of the patients I 
know with MPD ritual abuse that are being treated are women, however. I know 
of some men being treated where we've found this. A while back I was talking 
to a small group of therapists somewhere. I told them about some of this. In 
the middle of talking about some of this all the color drained out of one 
social worker's face and she obviously had a reaction and I asked her about 
and she said, "I'm working with a five-year-old boy," and she said, "Just in 
the last few weeks he was saying something about a Dr. Green." I went on a 
little further and I mentioned some of these things and she just 

 [ArChivist's Note: Another Hiatus. Sorry. I don't even know how much is 
missing.] 

Q: It seems to me that there seems to be some similarity between these 
kinds of programming and those people who claim that they've been abducted 
by spaceships and have had themselves physically probed and reprogrammed and 
all of that sort of thing. Since Cape Canaveral is across the Florida 
peninsula from me and I don't think that they've reported any spaceships 
lately, I was just wondering is there any sort of relationship between this 
and that?  

Dr.H: I'll share my speculation, that comes from others really. I've not 
dealt with any of those people. However, I know a therapist that I know and 
trust and respect who I've informed about all this a couple of years ago and 
has found it in a lot of patients and so on, who is firmly of the belief 
that those people are in fact ritual-abuse victims who have been programmed 
with that sort of thing to destroy all their credibility. If somebody's 
coming in and reporting abduction by a flying saucer who's going to believe 
them on anything else in the future? 

Also as a kind of thing that can be pointed to and said, "This is as 
ridiculous as that." All I know is that I recently had a consult, a 
telephone consult, with a therapist where I had been instructing her about 
some of this kind of stuff. When we were consulting at one point in the 
fifth or sixth interview she said, "By the way, do you know anything about 
this topic?" I said, "Well, not really" and shared with her what I shared 
with you. I said, "If it were me being with this guy..." that she'd been 
seeing for a couple of months, I said, "I would ask inside for the core to 
take control of finger-signals and inquire about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta." 
She proceeded to do all that, got back to me a week later and said, "Boy, 
were you on target. There is a part inside named Dr. Green. There's this 
kind of programming." 

Yes?  

Q: What's the difference between this kind of program and 
    cult-type abuse and Satanic abuse in the kind of cults 
    with the candles and the...  

Dr.H: This type of programming will be done in the cults with the candles 
and all the rest. My impression is this is simply done in people where they 
have great access to them or they're bloodline and their parents are in it 
and they can be raised in it from an early age. If they are bloodline they 
are the chosen generation. If not, they're expendable and they are expected 
to die and not get well. There will be booby traps in your way if they 
aren't non-bloodline people that when they get well they will kill 
themselves. I'll tell you just a little about that. 

My belief is that some people that have ritual abuse and don't have this 
have been ritually abused but they may be may be part of a non-mainstream 
group. The Satanism comes in the overall philosophy overriding all of this. 
People say, "What's the purpose of it?" My best guess is that the purpose of 
it is that they want an army of Manchurian Candidates, ten of thousands of 
mental robots who will do prostitution, do child pornography, smuggle drugs, 
engage in international arms smuggling, do snuff films, all sorts of very 
lucrative things and do their bidding and eventually the megalomaniacs at 
the top believe they'll create a Satanic Order that will rule the world. 

One last question. Then I'll give you couple of details and we need to shift 
gears.  

Q: You have suggested and implied that at some point at a high level of the 
U.S. Government there was support of this kind of thing. I know we're short 
of time, but could you just say a few words about the documentation that may 
exist for that suggestion?  

Dr.H: There isn't great documentation of it. It comes from victims who are 
imperiled witnesses. The interesting thing is how many people have described 
the same scenario and how many people that we have worked with who have had 
relatives in NASA, in the CIA and in the Military, including very high-ups 
in the Military. I can tell you that a friend and colleague of mine who has 
probably the equivalent of half the table space on that far side of the room 
filled with boxes with declassified documents from mind-control research 
done in the past which has been able to be declassified over a considerable 
-- couple of decades -- period and has read more government documents about 
mind control than anyone else, has a brief that has literally been sent in 
the past week and a half asking for all information to be declassified about 
the Monarch Project for us to try to find out more. 

Now let me just mention something about some of the stuff that my experience 
is in several patients now that you may run into late in the process. I know 
I'm throwing a lot at you in a hurry. Some of it is completely foreign and 
some of you may think, "Gosh, could any of this be true?" Just, you know, 
ask. Find out in your patients and you may be lucky and there isn't any of 
this. Somewhere at a deep level you may run into some things like this. 

 Let me describe to you, if I can find my pen, the system in one patient. 
One patient I had treated for quite a while, a non-bloodline person. We had 
done what appeared to be successful work and reached final integration. She 
came back to me early last year and said she was symptomatic with some 
things. I started inquiring. I found a part there we'd integrated. The part 
basically said, "There was other stuff that I couldn't tell you about and 
you integrated me and so I had to split off." 

I had done some inquiring about things like Alpha, Beta as a routine part of 
it and found they were there and I said to this part, "Why didn't you tell 
me about this stuff?" She said, "Well, we gave you some hints but they went 
right over your head." Says, "I'm sorry, but we know that you didn't know 
enough to help us but now we know you can." So the stuff started coming out. 
It was interesting. She described the overall system -- if I can remember it 
now -- as being like this. 

The circle represented harm to the body, a system of alters whose primary 
purpose was to hurt her including symptoms like Munchhausen's, self- 
mutilation, other kinds of things. Each of the triangles represented still 
another different system. She said, "With the exception of me," this one 
part, "you dealt with the whole circle with the work that we did before but 
you didn't touch the rest of the stuff." Okay. 

 In the middle of all this was still another system consisting of the 
Cabalistic Tree, which some of you are aware, looks approximately like this 
with lines in between and so on and so forth. There's a rough approximation. 
That represented another system. Then once we got past that she implied that 
this entire thing was somehow encompassed by, what do you call it, an 
hourglass. I kept thinking we were at final integration then I'd find some 
other parts. This person had an eagle-eye husband that was watching for 
certain things that we found to be reliable indicators. So often I would get 
evidence of dissociation within a few days. It would suddenly be picked up. 

You know, what we found was I continued to find evidence of dissociation and 
I'd find parts. Finally this part, as I got angry with him and said, "Why 
when I give these ideomotor inquiries am I getting lied to?" This part said, 
"Because you don't understand. You're going to get us all killed." We 
started talking and then she basically said, "It's been programed so that if 
you succeed and think you've succeeded, you will fail. They build it in as a 
way to laugh at you, that if you ever get us integrated, we will die." 

Here's what she said, this part said, "I'm one of twelve disciples," and 
I've seen this in others, twelve disciples within this hourglass each of 
whom had to memorize a disciple-lesson which were basic Satanic kind of 
premises, philosophies of life like "be good to those who hurt you, hate 
those who are nice to you," on and on and on. There may be two or three 
sentences like that associated with each that they had to memorize them. 
They said, "We are like grains of sand falling and when the last grain of 
sand falls, there's Death." I said, "Is Death a part?" 

"Yes. When the last grain of sand falls the Sleeping Giant awakens." 

The Sleeping Giant was Death, who was then to kill them on Day-One or 
Day-Six after awakening unless certain things were followed and we did some 
of those. Well we also found Death had a sister as a backup, used with 
mirrors to create the sister part. We had to get past and deal with that too. 

Death had certain things that they said had to be done to integrate. I 
started to say, "Oh, come on, they lied to you before." She said, "Wait a 
minute. This what they said you'd say. They said that no doctor would ever 
believe that they had to go these extremes to get us well and that's part of 
the reason they'd fail." I said, "Well, tell me, tell me again." She said, 
"I have to be dressed all in red. I have to have Demerol onboard, have taken 
Demerol. A code has to be given and it has to be in a room that's totally 
dark. It has to happen on Day-One or Day-Six after this part's been awakened." 

I said what I'd have to lose? I had a psychiatrist give her a little 
Demerol. We used the code. My office didn't have any windows anyway. It was 
pretty easy. Oh, and there had to be four, I think, candles lit. Well, fine. 
So we did it and everything went well. Maybe it would have gone well if we 
hadn't done it, but I decided not to take the chance and to trust the 
patient maybe. Well, so we go on and then we find another part. There's 
Death And Destruction, another backup also with a sister that we had to get 
through. In fact, I think there were two backups there. Interestingly, the 
very last part was an extremely nice part, made especially that way so that 
they wouldn't want to lose them because they would be so adorable and so 
loving and so sweet that they wouldn't want to maybe get rid of them. 

Then we found that she continued to have these feelings with this last part 
left now of darkness and blackness inside. What did we find? A curtain. She 
said, "They assumed that if you ever got to this point, you would," and 
along the way, by the way, we had encountered this stuff about the LSD 
stuff, the Green Bomb programming. The message was that she said, "There is 
a curtain behind which are the remaining feelings and memories, but it can't 
be opened from the middle. It's like a stage curtain. It has to opened this 
way," that it can't be opened. They assumed that you would try to deal with 
all the feelings. 

That can't be opened until you've dealt with that last part and they've 
integrated. So far it looks like we've got integration that's holding. So I 
found Death And Destruction and the Hourglass in non-bloodline. "The Tree 
and the Hourglass," this patient informed me, "were made of sand because we 
were meant to die. We're expendable. We're the unchosen generation." I've 
heard variously that it's crystals or blood that fills the Hourglass in 
bloodline people. By the way, you can do real simple things like turn the 
Hourglass on its side so nothing can fall out, so time stands still to be 
able to do certain kinds of work. 

Spread the grains of sand on the seashore so that they can't be numbered 
and the time will not be counted. Got that idea from a ritual-abuse victim 
who had seen some of this kind of programming done that another therapist 
was seeing. So those would be just a few other hints about things that may 
be helpful or meaningful. We're talking about very intensive things and at 
deep levels to me this give us two things. One thing it gives to me is 
hope because it gets to material and it makes progress like nothing else 
we've ever seen with these people who have it. The second thing it does for 
me is it demoralizes me, too, because although three years ago I had a 
pretty good idea about the extent and breadth of what they'd done to these 
victims, I had no real appreciation for the depth and breadth and intensity 
of what they'd done. 

I want to come back to the other question over here now. The other 
question is how many of them can get well? We don't know. In most things in 
the mental health profession we accept two-thirds of the patients are going 
to improve, maybe seventy percent. There's very little we can get everybody 
well. I think one of the sad things we have to face is that many of these 
patients will probably never be well. My personal belief is that if they are 
being messed with their only hope of getting well is if they can somehow get 
out of contact. Now I know patients who've gone to other states and simply 
had deep- level alters pick up the phone and call and said, "This is our new 
address and phone number" so that they could be picked up locally. I mean in 
an inpatient unit for an extended period of time. 

If they are in a Cult from their area and they are still being monitored and 
messed with, my own personal opinion is we can't get them well and can't 
offer more than humanitarian caring and supportiveness. Lots of therapists 
do not like to hear that. That's my opinion. I believe that if somehow 
they're lucky enough to be wealthy enough to have protection, to have 
somehow gotten away in some way and we can work with them without being 
messed with, that they have a chance to reach some semblance of normality 
and livability with enough intensive work. My own personal belief is I don't 
think anybody with this kind of programming is well in this country yet. 
There are some who are well along the way. I've got a couple who are well 
along in their work and have done a tremendous amount, but they're clearly 
not well yet.  

Q: Could you speculate on the relationship between this stuff and the 
fantasy games that have been proliferating, Dungeons and Dragons and that 
sort of thing?  

Dr.H: Well, there are a lot of things out there to cue people. You want 
to see a great movie, interesting movie, to cue people? Go see "Trancers 
II." You can rent it in your video shop. Came out last fall. One night in 
sheer desperation for something at the video store, you know? Nine o'clock 
on Friday night. Everything's gone. I rented a couple of movies and one of 
them is that. Fascinating. They're talking about Green World Order. Yes, 
"Trancers II." And who is the production company? Full Moon Productions. I 
couldn't see much cuing in "Trancers I," but who's the production company in 
"Trancers I"? 

Alter Productions. There are lots of things around that are cuing. There's 
an interesting person in the late sixties who talked about the Illuminati. 
Have any of you ever heard of the Illuminati with regard to the Cult? Had a 
patient bring that up to me just about exactly two years ago. We've now had 
other stuff come out from other patients. 

 Appears to be the name of the international world leadership. There appear 
to be Illuminatic Counsels in several parts of the world and one 
internationally. The name of the international leadership of the Cult 
supposedly. Is this true? well, I don't know. It's interesting we're getting 
some people who are trying to work without cuing who are saying some very 
similar things. There was an old guy in Hollywood in the late sixties who 
talked about the infiltration of Hollywood by the Illuminati. 

Certainly what some patients have said is all of this spook stuff, horror 
stuff, possession and everything else that's been popularized in the last 
twenty years in Hollywood is in order to soften up the public so that when a 
Satanic world order takes over, everyone will have been desensitized to so 
many of these things, plus to continually cue lots of people out there. is 
that true? Well, I can't definitely tell you that it is. What I can say is I 
now believe that ritual-abuse programming is widespread, is systematic, is 
very organized from highly esoteric information which is published nowhere, 
has not been on any book or talk show, that we have found all around this 
country and at least one foreign country. 

Let's take a couple of quick questions and we need to get on to other 
material. Yes?  

Q: Do you have any techniques for decreasing your level of uncertainty that 
a patient is or is not being still tampered with, "messed with," as you said?  

Dr.H: Just that I would ask several of the parts I've inquired about, Core, 
Diana, Wisdom, Master Programmer, several parts inside I would ask about 
these sorts of things and I will keep asking it. As you do additional work 
and get a bit further, I would ask again to find out. In the back?  

Q: I wonder if you've heard or you know of the Martin Luther Bloodline?  

Dr.H: The what?  

Q: Martin Luther Bloodline?  

Dr.H: I know nothing about Martin Luther Bloodline. I'll give you one other 
quick tip. Ask him about an identification code. There's an identification 
code that people have. It will involve their birth date. It may involve 
places where they were programmed and it will usually involve a number in 
there that will be their birth order, like zero-two if they were 
second-born. It will usually involve a number that represents the number of 
generations in the Cult, if they are bloodlines. I've seen up to twelve now, 
twelve generations.  

Q: I have seen a lot of the things you've been describing today in several 
patients. I wanted to ask you a question about the Seven Systems. You 
mentioned something about systems here. Are there Seven Systems?  

Dr.H: There has been that described in some patients, yes, the Seven Systems.  

Q: Could you say what that is or a little diagram?  

Dr.H: I don't think we know enough to know what it is, honestly. I think 
it may have to do with Seven Cabalistic Trees.  

Q: Have you ever had any evidence where any of these people have been tagged 
and there have been anything of their body-parts that might be related to 
this, private parts in particular?  

Dr.H: Well, there are certainly people that have had tattoos, that have had 
a variety of other kinds of things, some of which have been, you know, 
documented in cases, but I mean to say, well, maybe they did that to 
themselves or had it done consciously to really prove something, not that 
occurs to right off the bat.   Let me just take this one last question back 
and we need to go on to other material because we're never going to get 
through it all. I'll just ask you to hold your question.  

Q: It's not a question but I wanted to say for myself, personally, and 
perhaps for others here as well, I wanted to thank you very sincerely for 
taking this time to come forward.  

[Applause] 

Dr.H: Well, 

[Applause] 

Q: Does anyone want to join us for a standing ovation for this material? 
It's wonderful. 

 [Sustained applause] 


Dr.H: A dear friend who's one of the top people in the field, who I know has 
had death threats, but I know struggled for professional credibility in 
believing in MPD and was harshly criticized for even believing in that ten 
and fifteen years ago, and struggled to a point of professional credibility. 

I think in his heart of hearts he knows it's true, but he will say things 
like, "I wouldn't be surprised to find tomorrow it was an international 
conspiracy and I wouldn't be surprised to find tomorrow that it is an urban 
myth and rumor." He tries to stay right on the fence and the reason is 
because it's controversial, because there is a campaign underway saying 
these all false memories induced by, along with incest and everything else, 
by "Oprah" and by books like "The Courage to Heal" and by naive therapists 
using hypnosis. It's controversial. My personal opinion has come to be if 
they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me. 

There's going to be an awful lot of information that's been put away 
that'll go to investigative reporters and multiple investigative agencies, 
if it happens, and an awful lot of people like you , I hope, that if I ever 
have an accident will be pushing for a very large-scale investigation. I 
think we have to stand up as some kind of moral conscience at some point and 
I tried to wait until we had gotten enough verification from independent 
places to have some real confidence that this was widespread.   I know we've 
gone like a house afire to try to pack as much as I could in for you. I hope 
it's given you some things to think about and some new ideas and I 
appreciate being with you. 

[Long sustained applause] 

Q: Yeah, I'd like to know that. What kind of data do you have given that 
you've had contact with large numbers of people. Not just threats but also 
any injury, any family problems that have arisen. That's one question. A 
second one is are you aware of anybody that you've treated ** or others ** 
with this level of dissociation and trauma that have recovered? Integrated? 
Whole and happy?  

Dr.H: Okay, I have one non-bloodline multiple, complex multiple who had this 
kind of programming where they have a lot of access to the patient as 
neighbors and where the doctor, by the way, you'll find physicians heavily 
involved. They've encouraged their own to go to medical school, to prescribe 
drugs to take care of their own, to get access to medical technology and be 
above suspicion. There have been a couple, in fact, in Utah who've been 
nailed now. We now in Utah have two full time ritual-abuse investigators 
with statewide jurisdiction under the Attorney General's Office to do 
nothing but investigate this. 

[Applause] 

Okay? In a poll done in the State of Utah in January by the major newspaper 
and television station, they found that ninety percent of Utahans believe 
that ritual abuse is genuine and real. Not all of them believe it's a 
frequent occurrence but some of that was imparted from two years of work by 
the Governor Commission on Ritual Abuse, interviewing, talking, meeting 
people, gathering data. Now when people say, by the way, "There's no 
evidence. They've never found a body," that's baloney. They found a body in 
Idaho of a child. 

They've had a case last summer that was convicted on first-degree murder 
charges, two people that the summer before that were arrested where the 
teenaged girl's finger and head were in the refrigerator and they were 
convicted of first-degree murder in Detroit. There have been cases and 
bodies. Back to risk. I know of no therapist who's been harmed. But patients 
inform us that there will come a future time where we could be at risk of 
being assassinated by patients who've been programmed to kill at a certain 
time anyone that they've told and any member of their own family who's not 
active. If that would come about is speculative. Who knows for sure? Maybe, 
but I don't think it's entirely without risk.