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Author Message Grump Member 1967 Posts Member since: 01-11-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ a-g, i didn't think you had any reason to apologize to me when you came on the thread i posted the other night, but referring to "the people you're dealing with" by offering a link to that thread in this forum is, i think, nasty. are you trying to slight me personally? or are you lumping everyone together? what is your problem with sex and enjoying the bodies of people you love? i personally have no problem with that. i don't think that makes me immoral or bad or... whatever you seem to be suggesting here. i think that's a very limited view of people. or maybe you're just trying to shock freegrace.. but i think he's a little more sophisticated than that. i asked an honest question about theology and sex/chastity debates... ?? and i asked an honest question about sexual practices. what's wrong with that? stay off the threads you don't like, if that's how you feel.. i mean, i honestly didn't have a problem with your contribution to my thread, and i didn't have a problem with you calling me a 'pervert' but i think you're showing your adolf side here and it's not very appealing to me. 'nuff said. ##I'm not afraid to admit that I masturbate club: member no. 648,294,024.## ## officially sick of sig files of all kinds##1 posted 03-02-200110:45 PM Tu Es Petra Member 796 Posts Member since: 02-16-2001 DIA......RHEA of the mouth. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You are the most egotistical self righteous bastard on this page........if not thread. You come in here bashing christians . Anybody who thinks freegrace /christian is a stupid because he believes in god obviously is prejudiced and or hateful. You obviously think anyone who believes in a god or higher power is ignorant.This tells me all I want or care to know about you. You hate christians because ......Why??? lol. I hope there truly is a hell. I really do. I think we need a hell. I hate this site. I apologize again. I tried. I really tried. I just can't stand this site. I believe it's full of shit. Perverts,liars,thieves,drug addicts,mentally disturbed people,abused people,physically and mentally depressed people,suicidal people,misery etc etc.etc. I know there are some good people here. But like they say........a few bad apples can spoil........... I think there are more rotten apples then good ones here!! I'm sorry . This is my opinion. I'm going to go like a flaming fireball from hell. I'm going to slash and burn this hell hole until I get banned. If this site were a part of me... I would cut it off. ADOLF=SARCASTIC NEGATIVE INSTIGATING S.O.B. GANDHI=SERENE PEACEFUL PERSON WHO WOULD RATHER AVOID CONFLICT posted 03-02-200110:49 PM Tu Es Petra Member 796 Posts Member since: 02-16-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I DON'T KNOW WHY I THOUGHT I COULD CONVERSE WITH PEOPLE I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR. MY MISTAKE. YOU CAN FLAME ME ALL YOU WANT. THIS SITE AND IT'S MEMBERS COMMENTS ARE MEANINGLESS AND WORTHLESS TO ME. I CAN'T RESPECT THE MAJORITY HERE. JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE FOUND A PLACE TO DWELL DOESN'T MAKE THIS SITE NORMAL. LIKE A CRACKHOUSE. LIKE A NEST OF COCKROACHES. NORMAL HERE IS ABSURD AND PERVERTED IN THE EYES OF GOOD PEOPLE. TAKE ANY AVERAGE PERSON OF 60 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER..........THEY WOULD SAY THIS SIGHT IS SICK. THEY HAVE MORE MORALS. JUDGEMENTAL??? GENERALIZATION??? CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT. IT'S MY OBSERVATION. PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT MORALS HERE. THEY BELIEVE THIS PLACE OR HOW THEY LIVE TO BE PERFECTLY NORMAL. THEY HAVE NO MORALS SO THEY ARE BLIND TO THE PERVERSION.THEY WILL SHOUT AND SCREAM AND RANT AND EVEN DEBATE THAT THEY ARE JUST AS NORMAL AS ANYONE ELSE. THEY WILL ASK WHAT IS NORMAL? THEY WILL TWIST WORDS AND DEFEND THEIR PERVERSION TIL THE END. I SEE IT .....THE WAY I WANT TO. NOT BECAUSE I WAS RAISED THIS WAY. NOT BECAUSE I WAS BRAINWASHED TO THINK LIKE SOME GROUP OF PEOPLE. BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO SEE IT THIS WAY. I CHOOSE NOT TO ASSOCIATE MYSELF WITH PERVERTS/CHRISTIAN HATERS/CONDESCENDING PEOPLE TOWARDS CHRISTIANS..... CONDESCENDING PEOPLE WITH ATTITUDES. MISERABLE PEOPLE. DEPRESSED PEOPLE. DRUG ADDICTS . PEOPLE WHO GLORIFY DRUGS/PERVERSION ETC. SUICIDAL PEOPLE. SELF MUTILATING PEOPLE. TEENAGERS WITH ATTITUDES. PEOPLE WHO JUST BASH,ATTACK PEOPLE WITH THE NEGATIVITY OF A PRISON INMATE IN FOR LIFE! PEOPLE WHO LAUGH AT ABUSE. ABUSIVE PEOPLE HERE ARE RAMPANT. I COULD GO ON. THIS PLACE NEEDS RESIDENT PSYCHIATRISTS!!! 24-7 I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR DAMN NEAR EVERYONE ON THIS SITE. I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR MANSON ANYMORE EITHER.WHY WOULD I WANT TO GO TO A CONCERT OF MANSON AND SEE THESE MISERABLE MOSTLY TEENAGED PERVERTS AND FREAKS ???? HE'S NOT ONE TO LOOK UP TO IN MY BOOK. OH!!!!! I KNOW THE MANSONITES WILL HATE THAT!!!!!LOL. WHO CARES. I WOULD NEVER WANT TO BE LIKE MANSON. NEVER!!!!!!! YOU COULD OFFER ME HIS FAME AND FORTUNE RIGHT NOW AND IF I HAD TO BE HIM............. I WOULDN'T. HE'S SICK. I JUST TRASHED ALL THE MUSIC OF HIS I OWNED!!!! POOF!!! IT'S GONE. I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR HIM ANYMORE. NONE FOR THIS SITE. I TRIED TO GO OUT ON A GOOD NOTE. I REALLY TRIED. BUT MY RANTINGS AND RAVES ABOUT THIS SITE WERE AND ARE STILL BASICALLY TRUE. EVEN IF THEY WERE STATED WRONG. I HOPE TO NEVER COME BACK. [This message was edited by STRETCH on 03-03-2001 at 05:41 AM.] [This message was edited by STRETCH on 03-03-2001 at 05:47 AM.] posted 03-03-200104:03 AM Rictus Member 3203 Posts Member since: 06-05-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sorry to hear that. Me. Random Quote club 2001 - member No. 1 "All the drugs in this world Won't save her from herself..." *^*Co-founder and proud member of the blackjack appreciation society. She's tiny but she rules.*^* "Kill The Cheese!!!" - Eliza (who I love) "No one is a nigger" - Order in an Artificial Chaos posted 03-03-200110:08 AM freegrace Member 945 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 Hello Everyone ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I was out yesterday and didn't get to check this. It is probably best that I didn't (just when everybody was starting to be nice...LOL). Lord of the Nazgul...Nice to see you. Thanks for your response. Hey Mike...thanks for dropping by. I appreciate your words in response to Diablita since I was not here to address her comments. Diablita: quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's just that I didn't really want to bother reading this entire thing because it stinks more of egotism and pseudo-analysis than actual meeting of minds attempting to analyze facts and truth. This is what happens when you get poorly educated children to defend what the older deceivers have cleverly disguised as fact in their attempts to carry on the intergenerational control agenda that sometimes almost seems a natural correllary to the human aging process. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ How can you say this site stinks of egotism and is made up of poorly educated children IF YOU DIDN'T READ IT? What could be more egotistical than that? or prejudice for that matter? However, I'm glad you stopped by. You are exactly the type of person I love to speak to because your stereotypes are so strong and I love breaking them. First, I did not go up in a Christian home and my parents are not practicing Christians (my dad is an agnostic and my mother is a Catholic purely out of tradition). I became a Christian 5 years ago. I'm not trying to defend their views. Second, prior to accepting Christ I had studied religion intensely and had considered making it my major. I have studied Zen Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, and philosophy. If you had read the bbs you would have seen that. If you had read the bbs, you would have recognized as Mike Sorrow said we have discussed as much as possible in an objective manner, recognizing that each of us hold certain views dearly. For whether Jesus existed, had you read the thread, you would have seen that we debated that on another thread. Forgive me all of you who are accustomed to kinder responses from me. I don't mind most people's shortcomings but prejudice is one of those things that I refuse to put up with. Fragile Fusion...Thanks for your kind comment. I am glad that you feel that way. I've enjoyed participating in it. Plastic Jesus...Thanks for your comments as well. I've missed seeing you. I do think this has been an interesting study in how religion can be discussed intelligently and productively. If more people did this, there probably would be a lot less conflict in the world. Grump, your views don't bother me. As I said, I may disagree with the moral decisions people make but that doesn't make them less of a person. The main thing I really can't stand is prejudice or people who are just rude. You have been neither of those. Everyone will probably strongly object to this statement, but the main reason I believe premarital sex is wrong is because the Bible tells me it is. Some use science as their source of truth, others believe truth is relative, I believe that the Bible is God's self-revelation to the world. It describes fornication eight times (Matt. 15:19, Mk. 7:21, Jn. 8:41, Acts 15:20,Acts 15:29, Acts 21:25, 1 Co. 6:9, Heb. 13:4) never in a positive light. This will probably be difficult for many of you to understand, and there are times that I would prefer not to disagree with fornication, but that is what I believe (incidentally, prior to becomming a Christian I did not believe premarital sex was wrong among many other things) . Having said that, I have always argued that it is not inherently illogical to be a Christian, so I believe that your question requires my opinions on why pre-marital sex is wrong. First, I do not believe sex or sexuality is wrong, but I believe that fornication is an aberration of the original purpose of sex. Sex was originally designed within the context of marriage as I mentioned to BeautifulDeath in a prior post. Fire serves a great purpose when it is in a fireplace, but uncontained it can burn down a whole forrest. The same is true of sex. Clearly we have seen the consequences of the sexual revolution. The rise in teenage pregnancy (it is interesting that many movies about high school are R-rated and that the age group that is supposed be portrayed is not old enough to watch them), abortion (even though you may not think abortion is wrong the psychological effects on the mother are pretty well documented), kids growing up without fathers (especially in the inner-city where I work which is especially tragic), STDs like AIDS (unlike Rictus, I do not consider the Catholic church to be the problem), adultery and the way that sexual intimacy leads to suicide (I have heard but cannot remember where, that one of the leading causes of suicide among youth and college students is a breakup after having had sex--for any proof just look at the cause of so many suicide posts on this bbs--they usually can be attributed to parental abandonment or a breakup). The problem is especially challenging among women who usually create an emotional bond when they have sex (this is not to say guys don't). Psychologist Dr. Harry Raunikar has said that women give sex for love and men give love for sex. I consider that to be generally true. In addition, I consider many of the marital problems to at least be affected by the increase in sexual activity before marriage. People often have had many partners in their lives and so it is difficult to settle down with one...not to mention that it makes it difficult for most men to commit...why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? (Devilmunchkin, please don't refer to our previous conversation via IM about this topic What is the point of being monagomous when you can have sex with whomever you want? But we know the family is a critical element of society. Plus, how many relationships are continued and even turn into marriages because people use sex to avoid arguments? Having said all that, how does society benefit from not agreeing that sex before marriage is wrong? In essence, our passions are satisfied and we can express our love for eachother (aren't there other ways to do that). I think we would all see how society could benefit from waiting until marriage to have sex. Most young people I know would never want their kids to do all they did if they ever become parents. Ahh, but we reap what we sow. So Grump, I return the question to you, how has society benefited from the elimination of the belief that premarital sex is wrong? What benefits do you see in the future? Hey Adolph...Don't let this site frustrate you so much. It isn't worth the negative energy. God Bless You All...Freegrace 2 Thes 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word." "The reason true atheists (not your average "I-don't-like- what-mommy-and-daddy-say-so-I-hate-God" rebellious teen) are depressed is because atheism offers no hope, only proof. Proof of no hope." Mike Sorrow posted 03-03-200103:40 PM freegrace Member 945 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 Stitches ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Good to see you. I have often heard it said, "If you feel like God's a thousand miles away, who moved?" Ever heard of the Footprints story? You probably have. I agree in principle with that concept. We may not see God's role when we're going through our most difficult experiences. God Bless...Freegrace 2 Thes 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word." "The reason true atheists (not your average "I-don't-like- what-mommy-and-daddy-say-so-I-hate-God" rebellious teen) are depressed is because atheism offers no hope, only proof. Proof of no hope." Mike Sorrow posted 03-03-200103:44 PM Rictus Member 3203 Posts Member since: 06-05-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @freegrace: That post on marrage and sex is fantastic, and I commend you for putting forward your view so eloquently. I will respond, as you have guessed I have opinions on the subject, but I had to commend your excelent argument, well put forward. Ont thing I will adress just now. quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ unlike Rictus, I do not consider the Catholic church to be the problem ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I never said it was the problem. I was demonstrating that in societies were AIDS is endemic forbidding the use of condoms from a moral standpoint, as the roman catholic church has done, is exaserbating the problem, and I still believe that. If people use condoms whilst engaging in sexual intercourse, the risk of contracting the HIV virus is reduced over a thousand-fold (according to recient studies). If you are a devout believer in Chatholosism, and are taught that using condoms is endangering your mortal soul, you will not use them. I of course see your point that if no-one had sex before marrage and people married for life (in accordance with Catholic doctorine) then such measures would in theory be unnesecerry, But I think that is terribly easy to say when you have a lack of understanding of the crushing poverty and painful existances of the vast majority of the population in such areas. Food is sparse, material possetions rare, the only thing people can do for recreation is go to church and have sex, so they do. This is human nature, and I can't believe you would seek to judge them, especially from such a position of relative comfort. An additional point to be made is that it is not just through sex that the virus is spreading over there. Blood supplyes are often low, and the screening processes slack to non-existant. In such a position, someone fortunate enough to recieve healthcare could in the process become infected. Imagine then then passing the desease onto their spouse, because the church has forbidden them use of the one thing that could allow them to engage in normal healty sexual relations as befits husband and wife. Children are being born in marrages with HIV, living a short 8-10 years, and it's often hit-and-miss as to wether they servive their parents, often by months before dying themselves. Some of these children will have been concived in the manner I have described, through having devout Catholic parents. The church must be aware of this, yet it puts its moral convictions before the lives of innocents. That fits my definition of evil behaviour. I don't think your glib attempt to absolve them of all rsponsibility hold water in this case. My word are strong because my feelings on this subject are also very strong. I do not intend this as an attack on you, and I trust you to see this in the light of reasoned and respectful debate, as it is intended. In closing, know I continue to respect you freegrace, and count you as a friend. I applaud your intollerance towards intollerance, and I share it. Be well. Rictus. Me. Random Quote club 2001 - member No. 1 "All the drugs in this world Won't save her from herself..." *^*Co-founder and proud member of the blackjack appreciation society. She's tiny but she rules.*^* "Kill The Cheese!!!" - Eliza (who I love) "No one is a nigger" - Order in an Artificial Chaos posted 03-04-200110:33 AM devilmunchkin Member 3003 Posts Member since: 08-19-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ hi everyone. I'm here for the moment and just wanted to comment on a few things i have noticed. I must back up freegrace's statement against diabelita. You cannot say what is wrong with this post if you haven't read what has been written here. Also, this is proven by the way you call us children: fact: many of us arn't, In fact, MOST of us arn't children at all, but college level and higher. PErhaps this stems from your feeling of being left out of the thread or you're a person who feels the need to try and gain acceptance by force. But this is just a guess an di could be wrong. This is, you can't judge the tone even for yourself unless you've read this thread. YOu'll then find things are about as polar to what you've stated as can be. I really wish this immature fighting with Adolph Ghandi would stop. It is not productive at all and perhaps kills more neurons that it helps. I think my view of premarrital sex varies from freegrace's though i understand why he feels that way. it DOES indeed explicitly say that premarrital sex is wrong. BUt, I judge for myself. I make my won rules being atheist. I believe as long as i love that person i can show that love i feel for them anyway i please. I believe everyone has their own right to do as they wish and any vd's they get are brought on theirselves. THROUGH ME YOU GO INTO PAIN THAT IS ETERNAL, THROUGH ME YOU GO AMONG PEOPLE LOST. JUSTICE MOVED MY EXALTED CREATOR: THE DIVINE POWER MADE ME, THE SUPREME WISDOM AND THE PRIMA LOVE. BEFORE ME ALL CREATED THINGS WERE ETERNAL, AND ETERNAL WILL LAST. ABANDON EVERY HOPE YOU WHO ENTER HERE. Dante's Inferno, Canto III posted 03-04-200102:23 PM Tu Es Petra Member 796 Posts Member since: 02-16-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ HERE WE GO AGAIN. 40 MILLION AFRICANS INFECTED WITH AIDS BECAUSE OF ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. LOL. IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T ABSTAIN FROM HAVING SEX. IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF IGNORANCE. IT'S NOT BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE PUMPING OUT CHILDREN THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN FEED. IT'S NOT BECAUSE MANY DON'T EVEN KNOW OR UNDERSTAND AIDS. IT'S THE ROMAN CATHOLICS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE! WHY IS THE AIDS INFECTION RATE RISING IN MOST OTHER COUNTRIES LATELY TOO??? I WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE AND HOW MUCH MONEY COMES FROM RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP THESE PEOPLE!!! LETS NOT LOOK AT THAT!!! LETS JUST PERSUCUTE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. WE HAVE TO BLAME SOMEBODY FOR AIDS!!!!! WE HAVE TO BLAME SOMEBODY FOR THE SPREAD!!! AS FREEGRACE SAID EARLIER ...... MOST OF THESE 40 MILLION AREN'T CATHOLICS ANYWAY. ALSO,I BET MOST WOULDN'T USE THE CONDOMS IF YOU GAVE THEM TO THEM.DO YOU SEE THE BACK WOODS TRIBAL AFRICANS USING CONDOMS??? REALLY????? THAT WAS NOT A RACIST COMMENT. IT'S CALLED REALITY. posted 03-04-200103:12 PM freegrace Member 945 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 Hello Everyone ------------------------------------------------------------------------ First, with Rictus quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Food is sparse, material possetions rare, the only thing people can do for recreation is go to church and have sex, so they do. This is human nature, and I can't believe you would seek to judge them, especially from such a position of relative comfort. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I appreciate the fact that this was said in a respectful way in the form of a debate. The only thing I would say is that I think my position on this matter has been misunderstood. First, I think it is great to hand out condoms to people in Africa. As I said in a previous post, I am not against contraception because I am not Catholic. However, I agree that the lack of contraception could exacerbate the problem, but I do not believe that it is the source of the solution to the problem. The ultimate solution would be to teach abstinence. On another note, as I mentioned to you before, I have been asked to be on the Aid Sudan Foudnation. We actually had a meeting about this very problem and one of the considerations we put on the table was coupling education on contraception with education on Christ and abstinence. Like you Rictus I am very passionate about this problem and so I am not judging them in any way. I am well aware of how blessed I am to live in the society I am, but I am also acting to help them with the resources, time and energy I have. On the other hand, I think that it is very unfortunate to make the argument that the only sources of recreation are sex and church. It makes them sound like they are savages. The African people are much more intelligent and resourceful than you give them credit for Rictus. Furthermore, the idea of sex as recreation is exactly what is wrong with the world. That was not the intended design and is a horrible thing to encourage especially among these people. Ideas like that are what cause AIDS. Furthermore, if a lack of resources is a justification for recreational sex, then why is the western world so active in embracing the concept? I am equally not trying to make this personal Rictus. Like you, I am framing this discussion in the form of a debate. Devilmunchkin...I agree with you. If you are not a Christian, I don't expect you to live by Christian values. I'm not trying to put the world in my box, but I am simply pointing out why the Biblical way is the best way ultimately. I just don't want for people to think it is completely ludicrous. I don't judge you for what you believe even though I disagree. As always, thanks for your support with diablita. Hey Adolph...Nice to see you buddy...Freegrace 2 Thes 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word." "The reason true atheists (not your average "I-don't-like- what-mommy-and-daddy-say-so-I-hate-God" rebellious teen) are depressed is because atheism offers no hope, only proof. Proof of no hope." Mike Sorrow posted 03-04-200108:21 PM Grump Member 1967 Posts Member since: 01-11-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ first off, i don't feel i know enough about AIDS in africa (though i know some things, and listen to NPR enough to at least hear stuff that way, read the NYTimes on a sporadic to regular basis, etc.)-- i haven't done enough research to be able to make a p osition about the catholic church's role there that i could stand behind. so for now, i'm not entering into that strand of this thread. re. sex and the question freegrace asked about benefits of the "sexual revolution": -people possibly seeing sex as so mething healthy, beautiful, interesting, and not only for procreation (i don't think procreation and abstinence are the only possibilities when it comes to sex, inside or outside marriage) -greater understanding and tolerance of sexual practices, mores, s ensibilities that are different from one's own or what one has been taught to believe (this concerns homosexuality, obviously, but other practices too) -greater possibility that women will see themselves as sexually desiring creatures, that they will thin k about their own sexual 'agency' and not allow themselves to be dominated by men (physially, emotionally, etc.), will have greater ability to see themselves as full humans with all kinds of desires, not just sexual ones, but--yes--sexual ones (and this h as been a hard thing to accomplish; there's still a tendency to demonize women who like sex, who aren't passive, etc., in my opinion. we have the words 'whore,' 'slut, etc. for women but there's still no term to describe promiscuous or very sexually acti ve men-- 'player' just doesn't carry the same connotations!) -greater understanding of ways in which 'sexuality' is not just about having sex and how sexual desires can shape aspects of our lives that we might have thought unrelated (creativity, spiritua lity, intellectual passions, relationships with people we're not having sex with, etc.). i agree with you, freegrace, that there are problems in this society that are interlaced with people having a lot of sex. but i also feel that the causality is comp licated, and i wouldn't blame the so-called sexual revolution for that. there are lots of factors--economic not least among them, i think--that have contributed to the kinds of family structures (or lack thereof) that you decry. i also think that it's naive to look at western society as having been somehow morally and quasi-idyllically less sexual or as engaging in less sexual behavior (having less sex is basically what i mean, i guess) before the 1960s. i'm not accusing you of saying this, freegrace; i'm responding to arguments i've heard that run along those lines. i personally am monogamous when i'm in a relationship with someone. i don't have 'casual sex'-- don't have sex with people when i'm not in a relationship with them. there have been exce ptions to this but no recent ones, certainly not since i've become the person i am today (which i date back to around 3 years ago). it's not something i'm interested in-- and if i became interested in it, i would make absolutely sure that it was acceptab le to the person i was in a relationship with. and i agree with you that there are big problems with people having sex when they're too young, when they're emotionally particularly sensitive, when they may not have as much information as they would nee d in order to make good decisions. this trend has a lot of causes, too, some of which interact in complicated ways. i think kids need a lot of frank, healthy discussion with adults and with each other about what is best for them, and many kids don't get nearly enough of that. ignoring or denying that kids are sexual creatures--especially when they hit puberty--only asks for trouble. i hope this helps. ##I'm not afraid to admit that I masturbate club: member no. 648,294,024.## ## officially sick of sig files of all kinds##1 posted 03-04-200109:41 PM SerpantQueen Junior Member 59 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 to : Tu Es Petra ------------------------------------------------------------------------ tu es patra: you are absolutely sad!!! hello, um, manson site....welcome to the real world, of course alot of us are depressed,freaks,perverted, obsessive, hateful bla bla bla....there is a great variety of people in here, man!! good apples, bad apples, half apples, whole apples...but we are here, so if u dont like it...FUCK RIGHT OFF PIGGY!!! and if our opinions do not matter to you, then why the fuck did you write that whole long thing?? because if it did, it wouldn't BOTHER you so much that u had to make such a big song and dance about it:) see??? goths are fucked, non goths are fucked, some r fine, some are indescribable.... but we will welCUM u with legs wide open, mouths wide open, graves wide open etc... so dont let people get to you so much, for some this is the way they release tention, but for me....it's just me. and fuck the catholic church, who are to blame yes, but the christians are just as bad....i speak from experience....ugh "we love you hate you but never care for you take a blessing add a curse mutiply it by 666 roll the devils dice and jump into your new found destiny"- serpantqueen take care now, bye bye;) HAIL SATAN i'm not a slave to a god that doesn't exist posted 03-04-200110:23 PM Grump Member 1967 Posts Member since: 01-11-2001 new topic ------------------------------------------------------------------------ so how about the government of afghanistan trying to blow up the several thousand year old buddhist statues carved into the sides of cliffs... just following the taliban, they are, yup... and the UN is trying to rush in and stop the explosives from being set off... along with scads of art historians, buddhists, etc... how do y'all feel about this?@ ##I'm not afraid to admit that I masturbate club: member no. 648,294,024.## ## officially sick of sig files of all kinds##1 posted 03-04-200110:41 PM Rictus Member 3203 Posts Member since: 06-05-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @freegrace: A responce is forming... @grump: I think it's one sick state of affairs... sometimes I dispair of humanity... But not for long! Me. Random Quote club 2001 - member No. 1 "All the drugs in this world Won't save her from herself..." *^*Co-founder and proud member of the blackjack appreciation society. She's tiny but she rules.*^* "Kill The Cheese!!!" - Eliza (who I love) "No one is a nigger" - Order in an Artificial Chaos posted 03-05-200109:52 AM Lord of the Nazgúl Member 1369 Posts Member since: 02-02-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ People who know nothing of the social intricacies in southern African society could make the assumption that the Catholic Church is responsible for the AIDS epidemic. Of course, they'd be completely wrong... posted 03-05-200108:46 PM STONEWALL JACKSON Member 304 Posts Member since: 03-05-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Serpent Queen Your reply makes me feel sorry for you because you must be in that list somewhere or you wouldn't feel so compelled to respond. I hope you get better or find a better life. p.s. I was impressed by your post I'M INSPIRED,MOTIVATED AND IMPRESSED BY MANY OF MANSON'S FANS posted 03-05-200109:03 PM freegrace Member 945 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 Hey everybody ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Grump...That was a well argued point. From my perspective, many of those benefits (e.g. respect and equality for womens, appreciation of sex, etc) could have been accomplished without erasing the belief that sex before marraige is not good and are inherent in the sex with one mate for life. In fact, I think that women are much more appreciated when they are not looked at as a conquest. Yes, there were many problems prior to 1960. Man is a sinner. He can't help but sin apart from Christ. There are things in Genesis that are absolutely disgusting. The sexual revolution in many ways took away the taboos of premarital sex and made it normative. On the point of Afghanistan, I definitely agree that injustice of any kind is not tolerable. While I disagree with the religious practices of Hindus, Buddhists, etc, I do think they should be allowed to worship as they wish. However, I will point out that the atrocities in Sudan are the greatest number of genocide since Nazi Germany. The actions of the Muslim Sharia law upon the Christians there are terrible. Each religion has its share of injustices towards others. Rosa, where did you go? I asked the questions? Did I ask too many? Rictus...thanks for preparing a response. God Bless...Freegrace 2 Thes 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word." "The reason true atheists (not your average "I-don't-like- what-mommy-and-daddy-say-so-I-hate-God" rebellious teen) are depressed is because atheism offers no hope, only proof. Proof of no hope." Mike Sorrow posted 03-05-200109:46 PM Hoodwink Junior Member 10 Posts Member since: 03-06-2001 To Freegrace ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. For example, when someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. Who would've thought it was that easy? I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other specific laws and how to best follow them. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is with my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them and have threatened to call the police. How should I deal with this? In addition, I think that I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as allowed in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? It says in the Bible that I am not allowed contact with a woman while she is in her period of "menstrual uncleanliness" (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how can I tell? I have tried asking, but--strangely--most women take offense. While we're on Leviticus, it says in 25:44 that I am allowed to buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. But I am unsure. Would you please clarify? Sadly, I have a neighbor whose boss insists that he work on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? And what about his supervisor who makes the schedule? I have never seen this issue addressed. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Oh, and lastly, Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I must admit that I wear prescription glasses. Does my vision have really to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? I think my minister wears contact lenses, what about him? I know by your eloquence and grace on this BBS that you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. posted 03-06-200105:42 AM Grump Member 1967 Posts Member since: 01-11-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ hoodwink: nice work. freegrace, rictus, and anyone else interested in the debate about aids in africa: the following site says that 18% of africa is roman catholic, which adds up to almost 123 million people. still looking for other information about aids specifically."The Geography of Roman Catholicism" grump. p.s. freegrace: objectification and commodication of women existed long before the "sexual revolution" and i think that there is much greater awareness of its evils now, thanks to feminism (and feminism is largely responsible for the "sexual revolution," i believe). ##I'm not afraid to admit that I masturbate club: member no. 648,294,024.## ## officially sick of sig files of all kinds##1 posted 03-06-200108:50 AM Grump Member 1967 Posts Member since: 01-11-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ a few more useful-appearing sites pertaining to AIDS in africa for anyone who wants to keep researching (i'm reading through some stuff now and don't yet have anything cogent to say): ÑS?UNAIDS--africa Â?allafrica.com--aids pageV ##I'm not afraid to admit that I masturbate club: member no. 648,294,024.## ## officially sick of sig files of all kinds##1 posted 03-06-200109:04 AM All times are PST . << next newest topic | next oldest topic >> | Page:Next Page | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 |