Posted by www.rolltidefan.net on February 23, 2004 at 07:26:59:

Interview with Terry Bowden April 24, 2001, at his Loachapoka ranch.

Also present was Paul Davis. After our interview, Bowden was expecting a
visit from Dr. Muse that same day at his ranch.Randy Kennedy Editor Former
Auburn University football coach Terry Bowden says the program he inherited
in 1993 included an elaborate system of paying star high school players up
to $15,000 to sign with Auburn and $600 per month while on the team.In
a lengthy interview from the ranch he still owns in Loachapoka, Bowden
alleged that the "pay-for-play" system was orchestrated by powerful AU Board
of Trustees member Bobby Lowder and carried out by former assistant
coach Wayne Hall.Bowden said the corruption extended to former head coach Pat
Dye, and included $30,000 to Atlanta attorneys for Gene Jelks in order to
sustain the former University of Alabama player while he leveled charges of
wrongdoing in the Crimson Tide program.Bowden said he learned of the major NCAA
infractions within days of being named Auburn's head coach, but kept
quiet while trying to clean up the program from within."I broke the
rules," Bowden said. "I told Wayne Hall to pay it off to the players we already had
and it will never happen again. I was hiding a dirty secret."Bowden said
the payment of players can be traced to Lowder, who Bowden said is the
unquestioned leader of the AU athletic department."Nothing was done
without Lowder knowing."Wayne Hall and Pat Dye paid $30,000 for lawyers in
Atlanta to keep Gene Jelks talking. This came from the money that had been
used to pay Auburn players.In 1991 when I was at Samford, Wayne Hall called
to ask about a job for Katherine Lowder at Samford. Bobby Lowder then
called and he said he would contribute money to Samford equal to Katherine's
salary as long as we didn't tell her where the money came from. Katherine and
my wife became good friends.Then the Eric Ramsey thing hit. One day
Katherine sticks her head in my office door and says, "Dye is leaving and my dad
wants you to be coach at Auburn."Dye resigned a week later. Lowder made him
resign because Lowder was sure Auburn was going to get the death penalty if
he didn't resign.I met with Lowder, Mike McCarter and Ruel Russell at
Ruel's office in Birmingham. They asked me all the questions, and I thought
it was a job interview. Then they said, we need to get you an interview.
They got John Montgomery Sr. to officially recommend me to be interviewed.The
night before the interview, Lowder told me "here's how the interview will
go." This was three hours on the phone like a lawyer prepping his
client.There were six candidates - Larry Smith, Mack Brown, Dick Sheridan, Pat
Sullivan, Wayne Hall and me. Everyone agreed that whoever the coach was going
to be, the decision had to be unanimous. I think Lowder wanted Wayne Hall,
but he knew he couldn't get him approved. I was the backup.I was the last
to interview, then the committee immediately took a vote that day.
Somebody was opposed to every candidate until they voted on me last. That's how I
got the job.Lowder said he wanted me to hire Wayne Hall as an assistant.
Tommy (Bowden, Terry's brother and a member of the Pat Dye staff) told me
that if you wanted anything done you gotta go through Hall.My second day on
the job (athletic director Mike) Lude said "you can't hire Hall." But then I
understand Lowder called and said that if I couldn't hire Hall we
will find a new president. So I hired Wayne Hall.One week on the job, Hall
came in with a ledger of players who have been paid, who paid the money, how
much money and when it was paid. He said we've still got 9-12 players
that we're paying $600 per month. We paid then $12,000-$15,000 to sign. We sign
about four every year that we pay.(Former assistant coach Rodney) Garner
paid most of the players. He was paid when he was a player at Auburn.(Stacey)
Danley is the assistant compliance guy, and he was paid when he was a
player.I broke the rules. I said pay it off, and it will never happen again.
Hall said "OK, but you will change your mind."Katherine came to Auburn as
my assistant, but she worked for Colonial. We were real close.I told
Lowder "We have cash all over."Lowder said "I told Wayne not to collect more
than we had to have to pay the players."Wayne had a safe in his house where
he kept the money.Within two weeks of me being hired they told me about
paying Jelks.Nothing was done without Lowder knowing. I will go under oath
and say that Lowder looked me in the eyes and said, "I didn't want Wayne to
collect more money than we needed to pay the players."I was hiding a dirty
secret.We were paying (star running back and current Washington Redskin) Steve
Davis and his cousin the fullback. It took about two years to get it all
cleaned up. Most the guys we were paying weren't any good and weren't
helping us win games. Steve Davis was the exception. HERE IS HOW IT WORKSFifty to
60 men give $5,000 per year. Wayne would collect it. These are all good
men.They didn't ask questions. The coach tells them that everybody cheats so
we have to.My first two years we went 11-0 and 9-0-1. My third year,
(assistants Jimbo) Fisher and (Rick) Trickett said, "Hall is on the phone a lot
with Lowder." I thought he was going back to cheating. I told Hall that
when the season was over he needed to move on. I told Garner that I was
taking him off coaching for a year. That was the beginning of the end for
me.Jimmy Rane was in on all of this. He is high maintenance. Three current Board
of Trustees members gave cash to players - Rane, Spina and McWhorter.
Jimmy is a wannabe, a jock sniffer, a loose cannon. He wants to be involved
in everything.After I fired Wayne, (athletic director David) Housel
came on. I don't dislike David, but David would get his feelings hurt if I
called Lowder. I told David what Wayne was doing.Lowder said (of Housel)
"He's not a good AD, but he's my AD."David Dideon compliance guy, Jay Jacobs
parking passes, Tim Jackson tickets. All are GAF members. Gerald Leschuck
was keeping Lowder informed.By my last year I'm having my house checked
for bugs. Danny Rane (son of Jimmy Rane and a walk-on Auburn player) was
giving our practice tapes to Mississippi State, our opponent.Tommy
Tuberville had been promised the job if we lost to Alabama in the game when we
kicked the field goal here to win.After that season, I thought about taking the
University of Texas job, but (Governor Fob) James was getting rid of
Lowder. Then Lowder stayed on the Board and I was stuck.I thought then that
I needed to win one more year and get out.When I got here Lowder said don't
talk to Muse, he's weak and his wife is a n----r lover. Lowder told me John
Denson was trying to kill him.The last week I was coach:Monday - The
Huntsville Tmes runs a story that says an undisclosed sources says that Bowden
has lost the confidence of the Board of Trustees and he must win four of
the last five games to keep his job.I lied to my staff and told them
that I had talked to Lowder, the story was not true and everything was OK. I
was trying to keep up morale.Tuesday - (Defensive coordinator Bill) Oliver
brings a hidden tape recorder into our coaches meeting. I believe this was
because Lowder wanted to have proof that I told a lie about talking to him
the day before.Wednesday - I had a 7 a.m. meeting with Housel. He asked if I
had seen the article in the Huntsville Times. He said he had talked to
Lowder, and Lowder wanted me to know that he was the undisclosed source. He
said he also wants you to know that he doesn't care if you win five of your
next six, you're out. David said the only way I would keep my job was if
Fob James wins (the governor's race). Thursday - I brought in my lawyer,
Ricky Davis, and said to David that I wanted to resign. He called Lowder
while we at in his office and we worked out a settlement. Muse didn't even
know.They were using Oliver. They were never going to hire him.When I resigned
it shocked them.

Paul Davis

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