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WALTER SCOTT
JUST YOU WAIT
White Whale Stereo album WW 7131, 1970
Album Designed by Kittyhawk Graphics
(Dean O. Torrence of Jan & Dean)
WS 8930 / 8931
Monarch Delta 15025 / -X
First Released As
GREAT SCOTT
Musicland USA album 3502, 1967
Album Designed by Lee - Myles Associates, NYC
Produced by Mel Friedman
(d. 30 June 1997)
01. JUST YOU WAIT (W-189-45)
(Mike Krenski - Greg Hoeltzel)
Musicland USA single 111,
Cash Box Review 16 September 1967
and White Whale single WW 259,
Billboard and Cash Box Reviews 28 October 1967
Monarch Delta 68701
KXOK Peak #3, Weeks Ending
Saturday 14 and 21 October 1967
02. SILLY GIRL (W-190-45)
(Mike Krenski - Greg Hoeltzel)
Musicland USA single 111 B
and White Whale single WW 259 B
Monarch Delta 68701-X
03. SOUNDS OF THE CITY
(Mike Krenski - Greg Hoeltzel)
04. MY SHADOW IS GONE (6876)
(Mike Krenski - Greg Hoeltzel)
Musicland USA single 20,009 B
05. WATCH OUT (6908)
(Mike Krenski - Greg Hoeltzel)
Musicland USA single 20,009, September 1966
KXOK #17, Sat 12 November 1966
06. ON BROADWAY
(Barry Mann - Cynthia Weil -
Jerry Leiber - Mike Stoller)
Musicland USA single 115 B
KXOK #15, Sat 14 March 1968
07. SALLY'S GONE AWAY
(Greg Hoeltzel)
Musicland USA single 115, July 1967
08. BUT NOW SHE'S GONE
(Greg Hoeltzel)
09. PROUD (7049)
(Mike Krenski - Greg Hoeltzel)
Musicland USA single 20,014 B
10. IT'S BEEN A LONG, LONG TIME (7048)
(Mike Krenski - Greg Hoeltzel)
Musicland USA single 20,014, March 1967
KXOK #9, Sat 25 February 1967
11. WHAT NOW MY LOVE
(Becaud - Delanoe - Sigman)
Exclusive White Whale Album Cut
My Side Of The Bandstand
an autobiography
by Bob Kuban
w/ Nancy K. Wenger
Published February 2006
In Memoriam
Mel Al Friedman
d. June 30, 1997
(Musicland U.S.A.)
Norman H. Wienstroer
d. February 11, 1999
(Norman Records)
BOB KUBAN AND THE IN-MEN:
LOOK OUT FOR THE CHEATER
CD Liner Notes
by Harry Young
Bob Kuban and the In-Men racked up three national chart singles (and one chart album) on the Olivette-based Musicland U.S.A. label during 1965-66.
Their horn-driven slice of blue-eyed soul, "The Cheater" (Billboard #12; Cash Box R&B #10), was the FIRST international pop smash written and recorded in St. Louis, Missouri.
Meet Bob Kuban and the In-Men: Bob Kuban (b. St. Louis, August 19, 1942; drums; formerly of Ike Turner's Kings of Rhythm), Sir Walter Scott (b. Walter S. Notheis, Jr., February 7, 1943; vocals; formerly of the Pacemakers), John Michael Krenski (aka Mike Evans; b. St. Louis, March 18, 1944; bass guitar & songwriter; formerly of the Mellowtones), Gregory Hoeltzel (aka Greg Roland; Vox organ & songwriter), Patrick Hixon (tenor sax, trumpet), Harry Simon (saxophone), Paul Skip Weisser (trombone) and Emil Ray Schulte (lead guitar; replaced Ken Smith by May 29, 1966 Post-Dispatch article).
1966: Bob Kuban, Skip Weisser,
Pat Hixon, Ray Schulte
The group was founded in 1964 first as the Rhythm Masters and then as The Bob Kuban Band. Soon Norman Wienstroer issued "I Don't Want To Know" (Beecham-Rowberry) / "(You Gotta) Dance With Me" Copyright January 21, 1965 ~ Norman 553, "Jerkin' Time" © March 22, 1965 / "Turn On Your Lovelight" ~ Norman 558, Billboard Breakout Single June 5, 1965, Billboard review July 10, 1965 & "I Don't Want To Know" / "Little Girl (Don't You Feel So Sad)" ~ Norman 567, 1965. At various times, Norman Records was located at 1900, 1902, 1906 & 1914 Washington Avenue, St. Louis 3, MO (63103). Phone: MA1-0470, MA1-0075 & CEntral 1-5430. Also at 1906 Washington Street: Roberts Distributors, owned by Robert Hausfatter, Norman Wienstroer, Sales Director. Roberts distributed Norman Records after April 1963.
As per the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Sunday, February 14, 1999, Norman H. Wienstroer died Thursday, February 11, 1999. The Post-Dispatch did not run an obituary. According to the March 13, 1999 issue of Billboard, Norman Wienstrover (SIC!) died at age 83.
In fall 1965, the act became known as "Bob Kuban and the In-Men." "In" meant in vogue, fashionable, sophisticated -- as in the familiar phrase "I'm in with the in crowd." The name "Bob Kuban and the In-Men" was, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, "designed to get across two...very important points. One is that they're an 'in' group, the other is that at the same time they are men, not long-haired freaks." Song Hits magazine: "Their music is pop rather than nerve-jangling rock and roll, and their trademark is that they have cleaned up rock and roll."
"The Cheater" (words & music by John Krenski, Copyright October 10, 1965) was recorded at Technisonic Studios, 1201 S. Brentwood Blvd-- today a parking lot for the Saint Louis Galleria shopping center.
Thanks to the one true Johnny Rabbitt, KXOK DJ Don Pietro 'Monaco (d. April 18, 1997), "The Cheater" appeared on the KXOK Sing-A-Long Survey the week ending Saturday November 20, 1965 and hit #1 the weeks ending January 1, January 8, January 15, January 22 and January 29, 1966."The Cheater" entered Billboard's chart at #135 the week ending December 25, 1965 and peaked at #12 the weeks ending March 12 and March 19, 1966
The Look Out For The Cheater album (Billboard #129) hit #1 on the KXOK Top 10 Albums chart the weeks ending April 16, 1966 and April 23, 1966.Internationally, "The Cheater" blasted to #5 on Toronto's CHUM Hit Parade (on the Barry label) and to #7 in Australia (on the Stateside label). Nashville's Hit label released a sound-a-like cover version of "The Cheater" by The Chellows in early 1966. Del Shannon did The Cheater on his This Is My Bag LP. And in 1973, Musicland U.S.A. issued a stunning Jimmy Testa psychedelic heavy metal version by the FULLY Assembled.
At the height of "Cheater-mania," Washington University & St. Louis Institute of Music graduate Bob Kuban was teaching music five days a week at Bishop DuBourg High School in south St. Louis. Walter Scott was supporting his (first) wife and kids by working as crane operator. Mike Krenski was pursuing a MS in math at St. Louis University and a BS in aeronautical engineering at SLU's Parks College. Greg Hoeltzel was pre-med at Washington University. The other In-Men were students at the St. Louis Institute of Music.
As Bob Kuban told Lyn Cunningham & Jimmy Jones, "At that time, the Viet-Nam war was in full blaze and all of us in the band were draft-bait. Back then you had a choice, stay in school or go to Viet-Nam. I was a teacher, so that kept me out. But none of us could go on the road for any length of time. We had a nine week tour booked in Australia and couldn't go."
In April 1966, the group did make an eight (?) day trip to California. The Turtles opened for Bob Kuban and the In-Men at San Francisco's Cow Palace. Contrary to one published account, Chicago and Blood, Sweat And Tears were NOT on the bill. Chicago and Blood, Sweat And Tears did not even exist in 1966!
In Los Angeles, Otis Redding joined the In-Men on stage at the Whisky A Go Go, April 8, 9 & 10, 1966. The group also filmed TV spots for Where The Action Is, Never Too Young and American Bandstand. As revealed on the HBO special, America Undercover: Autopsy 3: Voices From The Grave, (premiered Tuesday, November 5, 1996), only five of the eight In-Men appeared on the American Bandstand aired Saturday, April 30, 1966.
Back in St. Louis, the In-Men did weekly Catholic Youth Council dances, rocked Busch Stadium's first Cardinals baseball game, played the Veiled Prophet debutante ball at the Chase-Park Plaza Hotel and appeared in the Muny/Municipal Opera's production of "Bye Bye Birdie." (St. Louis Globe-Democrat: "And who can possibly fault Bob Kuban and the In-Men? They are a clean-cut group specializing in refined rock n roll. They are a dandy addition and judging from last night's response, the audience was packed with their fans. Incidentally, last night's crowd numbered 9,590.")
In addition to regular spots on KSD-TV's Russ Carter-hosted St. Louis Hop, the group was featured on the KMOX-TV prime time special Vacations Unlimited. Bob Kuban even conducted the St. Louis Symphony Orchestra in a performance of "The Cheater" at the Kiel Auditorium Opera House, October 22, 1966.
Bob Kuban and the In-Men frequently performed in St. Louis' GASLIGHT SQUARE district.
Gaslight Square, orginally known as Greenwich Corners, was a two block area at Olive --now Lindell-- & Boyle Avenue. It was a hotbed of Dixieland jazz, blues, pop, folk and vaudeville entertainment. Nightclubs in the area included Pepe's A Go Go, the Whisky A Go Go, Jack's Or Better Hootenanny Club, the Gilded Cage, the Peppermint Club, Your Father's Mustache and the Inferno Show Lounge. Restaurants included the Three Fountains ("Cuisine par Excellence"), Smokey Joe's Grecian Terrace, Port St. Louis, the Chi-Chi and Mr. D's. As per the Globe-Democrat, Gaslight Square was a "dump" by May 1971.
The In-Men followed "The Cheater" with "The Teaser" (Billboard #70; KXOK [#15]). Billboard's review: "Natural successor to his initial disk click... is this well-performed dance beat number headed for the top of the charts." Cash Box: "Hot on the heels of 'The Cheater' smasheroo, Bob Kuban and Co. come up with another sure-fire Musicland winner...a rhythmic, bluesy ode about an unhappy fella trying to please a real fickle gal."
May 1966 saw release of the group's final national charter, a cover of the Beatles' "Drive My Car" (Billboard #93; KXOK [#22]). The Beatles' own version (released on the UK Rubber Soul LP in December 1965) was not available in the U.S.A. until June 20, 1966 on The Beatles: Yesterday And Today LP.
The 'B' side of Kuban's "Drive My Car" was "The Pretzel," written by Krenski in September 1965. As per the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, "The Pretzel was tied up, more or less, with a new dance by the same name. Some months ago Sanford Gubernick, a St. Louis paper salesman, invented a dance gimmick which he named The Pretzel. It is sort of like a double hula hoop...designed, he explained, to bring dancers back together again."
In September 1966, Krenski and Hoeltzel quit the In-Men and formed the Guise (And Their Mod Sound). "Long Haired Music" by the Guise hit #123 in Billboard. Mike Krenski is now an engineer with McDonnell-Douglas (Boeing) Aircraft. Gregory R. Hoeltzel, DDS, MS, is a dentist with offices two blocks from the former site of Technisonic Studios.
On Friday, June 20, 1969, Bob Kuban and the In-Men appeared at Chicago's Aragon Ballroom, 1106 W. Lawrence. Bob Kuban's Lounge opened at #10 Paddock Hills Plaza, N. Hwy. 140, Florissant, MO (1969). Bob Kuban released a 1970 single on Reprise (REP 0937, BB ad September 12, 1970), a 1975 LP on Norman, and the 1986 Get Ready For Some Rock & Soul LP.
The Bob Kuban Brass appeared at several Cardinals World Series games and on August 16, 1985, backed falsetto king Lou Christie in a massive concert at Busch Stadium.
Jordan Oakes profiled Bob Kuban in the Riverfront Times, March 20, 1996. On June 15, 1996, KLOU-FM presented Bob Kuban with a special record award for "The Cheater" (Paul Hampel, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Thursday, August 1, 1996).
Bob Kuban and the Look Out For The Cheater CD were featured on Channel 5's Show Me St. Louis Tuesday, February 11, 1997. Bob currently owns The Bob Kuban Entertainment Agency, booking St. Louis' most prestigious entertainment events.
In 1966-67, Walter Scott released the Great Scott LP and several solo singles on Musicland U.S.A. Later, Oliver Sain produced Walter's single "The Cheater" / "There'll Always Be A Love Song" (Vanessa V-131).
According to a rather dubious item in the St Louis Post- Dispatch, January 27, 1995, "Lucia Pamela, Miss St. Louis of 1926 and mother of Rams football team owner Georgia Frontiere, cut a duet with the late Walter Scott that's big in underground music circles."
The Ivanhoe and Pzazz label Walter Scott 45s were recorded by a different Chicago-based Walter Scott.
October 1983: Pat Hixon, Harry Simon,
Skip Weisser, Ray Schulte
As Bob Kuban and the In-Men were preparing for a 20th anniversary reunion scheduled for June 23, 1984 at the Fox, Walter Scott mysteriously disappeared. He was last seen walking out his two story home near St. Peters at 7:05PM, December 27, 1983. On April 10, 1987, his badly decomposed, bound body was found floating face down in a cistern. Scott had been shot in the back. Scott's second wife, JoAnn (Calceterra), pled guilty to hindering prosecution in his murder. She received a five year sentence. And JoAnn's boyfriend (whom she married in 1986), James H. Williams Sr., was found guilty of two counts of capital murder in the deaths of his previous wife, Sharon Williams, and Walter Scott. James Williams received two life terms without the possibility of parole (affirmed by the Missouri Court of Appeals, April 4, 1995). And Walter Scott still sings, "Tough luck for the Cheater(s), Too bad for the fool-hearted clown(s)."
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BOB KUBAN AND THE IN-MEN:
LOOK OUT FOR THE CHEATER
Collectables Stereo Compact Disc 5688
1. The Cheater*
(John Krenski)
Musicland U.S.A. singles 6548, Nov 65;
20,000, Dec 65 & 20,001, Dec 65
Billboard Pop #12
Cash Box R&B #10
Cash Box Pop #15
Variety #14
KXOK #1
WFUN #5
CHUM #5
KDKA #7
KQV #13
WKNR #25
WLS #28
Australia #7
2. In The Midnight Hour*
(Steve Cropper-Wilson Pickett)
3. Batman Theme*
(Neil Hefti)
Musicland U.S.A. 20,0017 B, 1967
4. You've Got Your Troubles (I've Got Mine)*
(Roger Greenaway-Roger Cook)
5. All I Want*
(John Krenski-Greg Hoeltzel)
Musicland U.S.A. 20,006 B, Mar 66
6. Harlem Shuffle*
(Bob Relf-E. Nelson)
Musicland U.S.A. 20,013, Oct 66
Billboard review Oct 22, 1966
7. These Boots Were Made For Walking*
(Lee Hazelwood)
8. Theme From Virginia Wolfe*
(Don Kirkpatrick-Kevin Knox)
Musicland U.S.A. 20,013 B, Oct 66
9. Get Out*
(Lincoln Chase)
Orginal version by Shirley Ellis
'B' side of "(That's) What The Nitty Gritty Is,"
Feb 1964
10. Try Me Baby*
(Patrick Hixon)
Musicland U.S.A. 6548 B, Nov 65;
20,000 B, Dec 65 & 20,001 B, Dec 65
11. Stop Her On Sight (S.O.S.)*
(Chas. Hatcher-Al Hamilton-Richard Morris)
12. You Better Run - You Better Hide+
(Felix Cavaliere-Eddie Brigati)
Musicland U.S.A. 20, 017, 1967
13. Drive My Car+
(John Lennon-Paul McCartney)
Musicland U.S.A. 20,007, May 66
Billboard review Jun 18, 1966
Billboard #93
Cash Box #99
14. Little Girl (Don't You Feel So Sad)+
(John F. Koechner-Muriel Gibbs-Donald Lane Hill)
Copyright May 17, 1965
Vocal by The Three Dimension (Don Hill, Skip [ ] and Johnny Tindel)
Norman 567 B, 65
Musicland U.S.A. 113 B, Sept 67
15. Pretzel Party+
(John Krenski)
The Pretzel
(John Krenski)
Copyright Sept 23, 1965
Musicland U.S.A. 20,007 B, May 66
Art Sleeve
16. Turn On Your Love Light+
(Scott-Malone)
Norman 558 B, May 65
17. Jerkin' Time+
(John Krenski-Greg Hoeltzel)
Norman 558, May 65
Billboard Breakout Single June 5, 1965 (St. Louis)
Billboard Review July 10, 1965
KXOK June 5, 1965 #18
KXOK June 12, 1965 #15
KXOK June 19, 1965 # ?
KXOK June 26, 1965 #19
KXOK July 3, 1965 #18
KXOK July 10, 1965 #26
Credited to Bob Kuban & the In-Men, Jerkin' Time appeared on Norman album NL112 / NS212 Meet Me In St Louis
18. The Teaser+
(John Krenski-Greg Hoeltzel)
Musicland U.S.A. 20,006, Mar 66
Billboard review Apr 9, 1966
Billboard #70
Cash Box #99
19. I Don't Want To Know+
(Beecham-Rowberry)
Norman 553, Jan 65
Norman 567, May 65
20. (You Gotta) Dance With Me+
(John Krenski)
Norman 553 B, Jan 65
21. Wait Until Tomorrow+
(Peter Faletti-Jim Zimmer)
Musicland U.S.A. 113, Sept 67
Also recorded by The Spirit of St. Louis
Fona 11417-01 B, Philips 40545
22. My Shadow Is Gone#
(John Krenski-Greg Hoeltzel)
Musicland U.S.A. 20,009 B, Sept 66
Arranged by John Krenski & Greg Hoeltzel
23. Watch Out#
(John Krenski-Greg Hoeltzel)
Musicland U.S.A 20,009, Sept 66
Arranged by Bill Justis
KXOK #[17]
24. Proud#
(John Krenski-Greg Hoeltzel)
Musicland U.S.A. 20,014 B, Mar 67
25. It's Been A Long Time#
(John Krenski-Greg Hoeltzel)
Musicland U.S.A. 20,014, Mar 67
Compilation Produced by Harry Young
Album / Sources:
* Look Out For The Cheater, Musicland U.S.A. LP 3500, Mar 66
Billboard review Apr 9, 1966
+ The Bob Kuban Explosion, Musicland U.S.A. LP 3501, 1966
# Walter Scott: Great Scott, Musicland U.S.A. LP 3502, 1967
