[Ozbrick: I caught this interesting thread midstream...]
Hi Neil,
These POS AISIN automatic transmission that Volvo is using do
not last long. I have seen some fail at 5K miles and I have seen some go
as
far as 150K miles. It is the pull of a straw if you get one that
is a keeper. The Volvo Mechanic I use has replaced so many that he can
quote you
off the top of his head what type of transmission you need and
how much it will cost to replace!
What I do know is that AISIN makes a middle of the road automatic.
It is not a high quality transmission then it is not entirely a piece of
junk
either. However, I feel that it is not a transmission I would
expect to see in a $40K car. I would expect to see one in a $12K to $20Kcar
(Jeep
Cherokee Classic, Toyota Camry, GEO Prism just to name a few).
The clue to the problem is the transmission fluid burning at low
mileage. Automatic transmission fluid can not handle temperatures over
90deg
C for long periods of time (of course this will very on the automatic
fluid you are using). So something somewhere is causing the transmission
fluid to over heat, burn, not lubricate and not work well as
a hydraulic fluid.
I have narrowed it down to either something in the transmission itself or the radiator is not large enough to cool the fluid.
The Transmission itself:
Here I can only guess at what might be a source of over heating
the oil. Several ideas have been thrown out on the table from fellow Engineers.
First idea is the toque converter is too small for the engine
and the car. This idea came from looking at diagrams and cut away of Aisin
front
wheel drive transmissions. Second idea is that the transmission
was design for a lighter/smaller car. The 40 series uses the same basic
transmission as the 70 series and I have not heard to date any
complaints about transmission problems in the 40 series. And the third
idea has
to do with the design of the gear shifting mechanism. I had a
chat with a no nothing Factory Rep who B- S'ed me to believe that the
Electro-shifting design uses the toque converter lockup as a
fuel saving featured when shifting gears. This can lead to rough shifting.
My
interpretation of the Factory Rep comments is the Volvo/Aisin
designed a POS for a transmission and us Volvo customers are getting the
shaft.
Also these AISIN Automatics do not have any means of filtering
out particles in the oil that can accumulate from normal wear on the mechanical
parts. So any metal particles that are created from bearing break-in
and gear meshing will stay in the transmission oil. These metal particles
can act like sand on the existing bearings hence wearing them
down faster until something breaks over time. What I did to solve this
is to install
an external paper filter that you can get from any good auto
part store. Just attached it to the car's frame and feed the oil cooler
lines in one
side and out the other side.
Cooling the Oil
You can change the cooling ability of the radiator by adding a
transmission oil cooler. I installed one on my 99XC with an after-market
transmission oil cooler. The type of transmission oil cooler
that you would use for towing a trailer. This would get you the best bang
for the buck.
Cooler oil will last longer hence keeping the transmission working
better longer.
Good Luck,
Steven---
Re: POS AISIN Transmissions[XC][2000] [post reply]
Scott Massey -- Wednesday, 14 November 2001, at 7:15 a.m.
Good post but the Jeep Cherokee uses the AW4 transmission which
is IMHO the most reliable transmission ever built :-). It is very similar
to
the AW71 used on the 740t which is also a very strong transmission.
You may be thinking of the Grand Cherokee (the more expensive one)
that uses a POS Chrysler transmission.
For my XC I have been flushing 12 quarts of Redline synthetic
ATF every year. It costs about $70 a case but the car shifts better than
new. No
more clunk from first to second.
Re: POS AISIN Transmissions[XC][2000] [post reply]
Steven--- -- Thursday, 15 November 2001, at 9:14 a.m.
Hi Scott,
You and I agree that the AW4 is one of the best transmissions
on the market. The new Jeep Liberty is using it! I owned 2 Jeep Cherokees
and
ran both of them into the ground. I had over 150K miles on both
with never a transmission problem. I wish I could say the same about my
99XC.
However, Aisin does make the AW4. The A stands for Aisin and the
W stands for Warner. If my memory serves me correctly AMC needed a
transmission for the new Jeep Cherokee (1984 it was new, 16 year
run for a truck design, not bad!)and got Aisin and Warner to design one.
So it was a joint effort between Aisin, Warner and AMC. Aisin
is still making them and has adapted the design for other vehicles like
the Ford
AWD V8 Explorer and some Toyota rear wheel drive sedans. The
Jeep Grand Cherokee uses a Borg/Warner automatic that is a POS.
Chrysler does not design nor manufactures their transmissions.
Some are Borg/Warner transmission and Mitsubishi makes some
transmission for Chrysler as well. With the take over by Damler
I would expect to see more German technology show up in Chrysler cars in
the
near future.
So when I bought my 99XC I new I was buying an Aisin transmission
(I did my homework). However I did not know that the basic design has
problems. I have a friend who works at New United Motor Manufacturing
(NUMMI). NUMMI manufactures on one assembly 320,000 Toyota
Corolla and GEO Prisms each year. These cars use Aisin transmission
similar to the Volvo 70 series car
(http://www.aisin-aw.co.jp/eng/frameset.html). My friend told
me that NUMMI rejects quite a few AISIN transmissions due to manufacturing
quality problems. So it is tough for me to tell if these POS
Aisin transmission are a Volvo problem or Aisin problem.
I flush my fluid every 10Kmiles. It still shifts badly (it slams
between 3rd and 4th). I know I am in for a replacement at 60Kmiles. The
paper filter I
added always contains a large amount of metal (between 3 to 4
grams) every time I do the change. Something inside is slowly grinding
away. I
suspect something is not right with the shifting mechanism that
causes the shift from 3rd to 4th gears. As for what it is I can only guess.
When it
finally dies I am planning to tear apart the transmission to
see what got screwed up.
I would expect some metal from break-in period. At 16Kmiles I
had the transmission flushed so I would expect the metal particles to be
a very
small amount from that time onward. All I can say is that Volvo
is off my list of cars to buy and especially is off my list of cars to
recommend!
Good Luck,
Steven---
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