As you will note, there was as wide an array of opinions to my problem
on the brickboard as there was when enquiring with local mechanics/tranny
shops/dealers and independents. This is obviously due to the variability
of correct answers depending upon what is going on with the individual
car.
MESSAGE #10054120: Re: Another Automatic Transmission Saga
AUTHOR: Dick in Falls C <saab85900@aol.com>
DATE: Friday, 1 December 2000, at 8:45
a.m.
Response To #10054111: Another Automatic
Transmission Saga
Author: michael
Date: Friday, 1 December 2000, at 6:34
a.m.
> The ATF fluid is at the right level, and all the people I have seen
> have said that I would just waste money to change it, or that it
is
> "not too bad" and have not recommended changing the fluid
> yet. It is brown but smells more like normal ATF than stuff that
has
> been toasted.
Step 1 change the fluid. The brown shows that it is at least somewhat
oxidized.
Changing the fluid won't hurt anything, and could solve your problem.
And it
is relatively inexpensive if you do it yourself.
Go back and read the discussions on this--particularly the comments
by some of
the Volvo techs.
Your problem could very well be a sticking solenoid or ball valve which
could
perhaps be cured with new fluid. A complete flush costs $20 or less
if you do
it yourself or $80 to $100 or so done by a mechanic. Certainly a lot
cheaper
than replacing anything else and the obvious place to start.
As others have posted, I have seen many 850/70 series auto trans problems
cured with a fluid change (7 or 8 that I personally know of) - don't
bother
putting anything but the best synthetic tranny fluid. This is relatively
cheap, you can do it yourself, and it certainly will not hurt anything.
If it
doesn't cure you problem, then you can proceed with more serious
troubleshooting.
> It is brown but smells more like normal ATF than stuff that
has been
> toasted.
Mine quickly gets (got, twice) (and stays) more brown than red
(not dark,
though). Since mine has (had) no problems, I consider this exceedingly
normal, and tend to side with those who've seen it and weren't
alarmed, and
not those with a red fetish.
For every automatic transmission whose behavior has been significantly
and permanently helped by changing ATF, I'll bet there are at
least 3
that haven't.
Dexron is already the most over-engineered fluid in your car
(unless,
perhaps, you fill your tires with pure nitrogen?), so I do not
find
synthetic ATF to make economic sense, even though I use synthetic
engine
oil (which sees harsh temperatures and chemical contamination
from
combustion byproducts).
And as for a "power flush", these ATs pump their own ATF, and
can fully
flush their own with a minimum of equipment, none special.
I would definitely make sure you're putting the transmission
into the gear
selection position as indicated by the shifter (even when warm).
The
part that locks the switch into precise position may be loose.
(Of course,
that could be easily diagnosed by moving the shifter slightly
from its
normal detent position as the problem occurs...) If it's just
the gear
position switch contacts, ramming the shifter back and forth
from Park to
First ought to wipe them clean(er). Maybe that's what the first
guy tried,
but either the position holder was further loosened or else
some goo inside
the switch was spread among the contacts instead of being wiped
off.
There's also a heavy-duty multi-multi-contact connector to the
transmission
that's fairly obvious with the air box removed. It might benefit
from a
few un-/re-connects. Your car's battery hasn't ever burped up
anything
nasty atop the AT, has it...?
223 = TPS signal too low (bad connection?)
134 = Incorrect load signal (bad connection?)
313 = Incorrect signal from gear pos sensor (bad connection?)
I would expect a Volvo tech to be able to ascertain if the problem
is a
bad switch or sticking solenoids, or at least differentiate
between the
two...
I would not expect a new gear pos sensor to suddenly provide
full/correct
signals from it and 2 other inputs to the AT.
Wiggling a large multi-pin connector, OTOH, might.
Good luck,
- Dave; '95 854T, 105K mi
Most shops nowadays can do the BG power flush service for about
$100. Did this
to both my cars, money well spent. Try refilling with synthetic
after flush
service, most shops will fill with synthetic as part of BG service
for
extra$$.
I tried the cheap fixes. None worked. Trans just got worse. Are there
enough
of us with low mileage trans failures for a complaint to NHTSA?
I ended up having to replace trans. $2500 parts + labor.
I know two people that auto trans went out at about 40K. They
both had to
replace the transmitions. One took it back to volvo and got
them two pay for
half. I have a 94 850 and if the trans goes I will deffinately
bitch up a
strom at my local dealer and the zone manager. The volvo manual
for the 850
given no interval for changing the trans fluid. Does that mean
it is to last
forever - I don't think so. If changing the fluid does fix the
ploblem please
post it. If it does not I would complain to the zome manager
until you get
some help - it is a $3000 job. If you go to the cartalk section
of cars.com,
you can look up your local zone manager for volvo. Good luck.
Guy
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