Interview - Part II

Jamie Bloom, a journalism student in the Toronto area, was kind enough to take the time to interview Glen for the web site. Here is the second part of the interview:

Q: Now I want to talk about the apparatus. Can you talk about the type of stick you use?

Glen: Yes of course, as the website states, the preferred weapon of the Uisce stick fighter is called a Blackthorn. The length of the stick will of course be determined by the size of fighter. The best way to measure a stick is to put your two fists together, bring them to your chest with the knuckles facing outward, and measure from elbow to elbow. Then add three inches onto each side. I was lucky enough that I was basically the same height as my father, so when he passed on, I inherited his stick and I use it to this day.

Q: Anything else?

Glen: Of course. You have to have a tit on your Blackthorn for disarms and other specific techniques. You also leave a lot of branch protrusions, which of course are used for ripping the skin or flesh of your opponent. Ripping the flesh is probably one of the first techniques my father ever taught me (chuckling).

Q: Training with your dad. Can you describe maybe a typical day of training?

Glen: There was nothing typical about training with my father (chuckling). But I will try to take you through a typical day, when I was about eight or nine years of age. The first thing I remember about my dad was the fact that he would let me be a kid. He was always very aware of the importance of enjoying the day, but when it came time to training, he was a taskmaster. We would start with some basic punching, shadowboxing movements to warm up the shoulders and the legs. Once I was warmed up, he put the Blackthorn in my hand and I started with the stick punches, and basic footwork. He corrected my form, and my technique the old-fashioned way, a quick whack in the skull.

Q: Wow, was he ever in a good mood? (laughing)

Glen: (laughing) Not while training, when he trained me, it was all serious, but after that, he was a dad again.

Q: I remember reading in your book that you say, every style has an inherited weakness. If it isn’t too insulting, what would you say the weakness of Uisce is?

Glen: It's not insulting at all. I stand by my comment that every style has an inherited weakness and Uisce is no exception. Because it is a close range style, it should be common sense that the weakness of Uisce is limited long-range techniques. That's why we have charge-ins; we have to break distance immediately for our style to be 100 percent effective. This is why I got together with John Rivers and incorporated some aspects of his Filipino stick fighting style, which is predominantly a long-range style. LaPunti Arnis de Abanico has some very powerful long-range strikes that can be utilized by the Irish stick-fighting practitioner.

Q: So LaPunti techniques can be used with a blackthorn and vice versa?

Glen: So far, so good. As I stated before, a stick is a stick no matter where you go. I find that the LaPunti style attacks are easily executed using the Blackthorn and the Uisce techniques can be easily utilized using the LaPunti rattan stick. This is great because whether John Rivers or myself is instructing, we can switch back and forth from the Irish or Filipino style without confusing the student or having to change sticks.

Q: So can you talk about the first non-Doyles to learn Uisce?

Glen: Sure. Ernie DaSilva was the first non-Doyle to study Uisce. He was a student at Jing Mo for a number of years and when I finally decided to teach Uisce to others, he was the first to step up to the plate. After Ernie, I began interchanging techniques with John Rivers, who was heavily into the Filipino style. After that, I actually worked with a figure skater named Oliver Yost. Though Oliver only studied with me for a short time, he picked up the techniques very quickly and I believe still practices to this day. After Oliver there was the interested group at Jing Mo: Richard, Konan, and Daniel. They’re the current new Uisce generation. A great bunch of guys, and I'm happy to be their, 'seanachai'.

Q: Now, I know you called your Dad 'seanachaì'. Can you explain that and the ranking system you and he came up with?

Glen: OK, well 'seanachai' basically translates into 'storyteller'. Seeing as Uisce is passed on through an oral tradition, the term makes sense to me. Seanachai is pronounced SHAN-UKH-EE. As for the ranking system, my dad was more behind it than I was. Before he fought in the Korean War, like a lot of Canadian troops, his regiment went to Japan to train in the art of Aku Jitsu and hand-to-hand combat. His exposure to the Japanese arts eventually exposed him to the ranking system that a lot of the styles had, and when he returned to stick fighting, he decided that a ranking system for Uisce might help break down which technique should be taught first, and help adjust a person's skill level.

Q: So what are the rankings?

Glen: There are five of them. From the lowest level to highest goes: Iasc (fish), Bradàn (salmon), Lon dubh (blackbird), Càg (jackdaw), and Mada rua (fox). To be honest I don't really use this ranking system very often, but if a student uses it as a guide to where they stand within the Uisce system I can refer to it once awhile.

Q: So how many techniques does Uisce have?

Glen: Well you can't really number them, but I'd say the style has approximately 25 to 35 techniques. Of course, being intertwined with the Kung Fu stances, the number could have increased.

Q: What’s your favourite technique, Glen?

Glen: Any technique that works, is my favourite. When a guy is coming at me with a stick, with the intent of bashing my brain in, any Uisce technique that works is the right one, and is my automatic favorite (laughs).

Q: Did you ever witness your father training, or fighting with his blackthorn?

Glen: Yes a few times. I was so honored to be able to remember him training, working out, and of course competing with his cousins and what not. There were some good hits in those days.

Q: Did your father have a favourite technique?

Glen: Yes he did. Ironically his favourite technique would finish off the opponent with fists, rather than stick. He called it a catapult. Basically it was him heaving his stick horizontally at his opponent's nose and when the stick struck the opponent, my dad moved in with his 'fists a flying' and pummeled him down (smiles).

Q: You seem very reflective when you talk about your father… can you give me your insight to what he means to you?

Glen: What he means to me. What does any father mean to a son? He raised me, taught me, disciplined me, and presented me to the world in a way that I could look at it with dignity. I model myself after my father, and when I was younger, used to think to myself, "If I can be half the man that my father is, I'll be the greatest man in the world." He is the icon that I use to gauge my placement in this world. He is the motivation, and inspiration for everything I do within martial arts, and outside them.

Q: So what was his reaction when you told him you wanted to incorporate Kung Fu stances into the style?

Glen: Very welcoming. His basic reaction was... he gave me the style; it's tradition that each practitioner of Uisce inserts, or leaves their mark on the style, so my mark will be the insertion of Chinese Kung Fu stances. In this we progress, the style survives, and improves... reacting to society and current trends.

Q: Did he know you were teaching non-Doyles?

Glen: Yes. My father died in 1998, and I began teaching Ernie back in 1995. I don't know if he was totally for it when I first started, but once he saw the results, once he saw how I enjoyed passing on something that was family to the rest the world, he jumped onboard and became my consultant, so I could ask questions about Uisce if I had any trouble explaining, or passing techniques onto students.

Q: Now, the Cead Bua Fighting Faction? What is that?

Glen: The name of my school where I teach Uisce. Cead Bua, basically translates to '100 victory'. In Ireland our family came from two counties, Wexford and Galway. Because Galway is in the province of Connacht, my father decided to dedicate our faction to the legendary figure whom Connacht was named after "Conn of the One Hundred". He was a great warrior who was reputed to have won over 100 battles, or 100 victories. It basically pays homage to the county where we’re from.

Q: Now you teach Uisce, but there are two more words in front of it, what are they? And what do they mean?

Glen: The words Cuan Sliabh, basically translates to, Bay-Mountain. Basically this was to differentiate between the two Doyle clans. The Doyles from Galway used a landmark to personalize their Uisce. They lived within a Bay that must have been accentuated with a mountain, thus the term, Bay-Mountain Whiskey Stick Dance (Cuan Sliabh Uisce Beatha Bata Rince).

Q: So where do you want to take Uisce, Glen?

Glen: As far as the world will let me. I will teach whoever wants to learn, I'll go wherever there are students, and I will do my best to pass on the lessons, sayings, theories, and techniques that my father, Greg Doyle, gave to me. I want to make Uisce a household name in stick fighting circles.

Q: The Ten Commandments, do you follow them?

Glen:(laughing) You're talking to a lapse Catholic now, which Ten Commandments do you mean?
Q: You know which ones I mean.
Glen: (laughing) Of course I follow them, it's how I was raised. It's how Uisce was taught to me. If I didn't follow the Ten Commandments, how could I possibly teach them, pass them on?

Q: Now I know that Kung Fu has found its way into Uisce, but has Uisce found its way into Chinese Kung Fu?

Glen: I'd have to say yes to that question. Though my style of Kung Fu is close range based, I'd have to say that Uisce has made me a lot more comfortable moving in, and breaking the distance between my enemy and me. And if you ask any stick fighter, when you been whacked by a stick, someone throwing a punch at you just doesn't seem to be as scary... not even close.

Q: Now, let’s examine a few techniques from Uisce. For a new student, what would be the first thing they would learn?

Glen: Stick punch. They have to learn the stick punches, and hand transfers, from one hand to the other. They would have to learn the basic stance of Uisce and work the stick punches from that stance. Once the stick punches are second nature, then we move on to the charge-in. Before anything else can be taught, stick punches and charge-ins must be natural, instinctual, and perfect.

Q: Now reading a few other Irish fighting websites, they say that Irish fighting has honour, and one was even quoted as saying kicking the groin is without class. So is the Jig Kick dishonourable?

Glen: (laughs) I'm sure at one time, the Jig Kick would have been seen as dirty, but as I stated before, society is always changing, and each Uisce practitioner inserts his own fighting experiences, or new techniques into the style. So I'm certain at some point in history, one of my great, great relatives must have inserted the Jig Kick into the style, to compensate for fighters getting meaner, more aggressive, and even dirtier themselves. A kick to the balls now, in today's society, is looked on as cunning rather than dishonorable.

Q: Has Uisce made its way into any of your film scripts yet?

Glen: (sly smile) Not yet, although I was hoping Martin Scorsese would've got me on as a consultant for the opening fight scenes of "Gangs of New York", but alas, no luck. I am however working on a couple of Irish based scripts right now, and if possible, I will insert some stick fighting scenes. If that fails, I am currently working on a script about the life of my father, Greg Doyle, as a tribute to him. Somewhere down the road, Uisce will be on the big screen, I can almost guarantee it.

END PART II

Interview - Part I

 

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