Middle Kingdom - Internal Letter of Acceptances and Returns - June 2003  

This is the June 2003 Middle Kingdom Letter of Acceptances and Returns for Escutcheon and Keythong’s April Letters. Unless otherwise noted, all clients will accept changes. {Comments in braces {} were removed from the Letter of Intent sent to Laurel and the College of Arms. Names, devices, or badges in braces have been returned or pended; general comments or replies to commentary are also placed in braces}. Thanks to Dugan MacLeod, Angelique Michele d' Herisson, Aryanhwy merch Catmael, Knut, Pendar the Bard, Talan Gwynek, John ap Wynne, Moraig Drummond, Ælfreda æt Æthelwealda, Mikhail of Lubelska, Roberd mac Cormaic , Jaelle of Armida, and various folks on MKHERALDS & NSHERALDS for their commentary this month.}  

 

As a brief way of introduction, I have been involved in the SCA for 18+ years, as a co-founder of Baile na Scolairi. I've been our local group herald from the beginning, and have served as Escutcheon Herald, Midlands Herald, Free Trumpet Press Curator, and am currently Dragon's designated successor. My emphasis has been on armory, court and protocol. I'm looking forward to working with all the commenters as we work to do good service for our clients. And now, on with the show! 

 

1) Catell filius Matuc. (M) New Name {and Device. Sable, on a plate three Norse runes, “sigel”,”tir”, and “vrvz” purpure.

(Youngstown, OH)}

Name and structure taken from “The First Thousand Years of British Names” appendices IV and V online at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/british1000/appendix4_5.html#app4

Client is interested in having a name authentic for 4th Century Wales and cares most about language/culture.  

{The device is being returned for conflict with Cassandra of the East Winds, Sable on a plate, a flame gules, and for lack of translation of the runes.} 

Name Commentary 

Aryanhwy: Appendix IV of the cited article has name patterns from the Book of Llan Dav, e.g., Old Welsh names recorded in Latin. <Catell> is listed in the entry <Catell et Cinuin filiorum Morcant hen>, "Catell & Cinuin sons of Morcant (the old?)". Appendix V is a list of given names from the same source. <Catell> is listed with <Cadell> as it's modern form; <Matauc>, <Matuc> is listed with <Madog> as it's modern form. Following <filius>, <Matuc> must be in the genitive case. Having asked Talan Gwynek, he says: "I suspect that in a Latinized patronymic it might have been <filius Matuci>." As <Catell filius Matuci>, this is a fabulous name.  

Talan: Note, however, that <filiorum Morcant hen> 'sons of Old Morcant' is an example of the patronym being used without addition of Latin inflections. It's entirely possible that <filius Matuc> is fine. This should be sent up as submitted, perhaps with a note mentioning this as a possible concern. The only person who can really give an informed opinion on the relative likelihoods of the two forms is Tangwystyl. 

John: Catell: see Norman (p.172, P.185); listed as common name in Wales as early as 47AD, but spelled 'Cadell'. See also Gruffudd (p.18); Todd (p.90) listing 'Cathal' as a variant; Conway p.98)

Matuc: closest I can come to this with period variants: see Todd (p135) under 'Madoc' & 'Madeg'; Conway (p110); Norman (p.173, p.180, p.185); Morgan & Morgan (pp156-158); Rowlands (p127). 

Device Commentary 

Aryanhwy: Conflict with Cassandra of the East Winds (reg 03/78), "Sable, on a plate, a flame gules." There is one CD for the changes to the tertiary charges. Furthermore, the word on the roundel needs to be translated on the LoI, per precedent affirmed in 01/03: 

"No translation was provided for the word on the chief. The SCA requires that a translation be provided for any phrases used in armory: 

Secondly, a translation of the Arabic [used on the device submission] is required by Laurel precedent and the Administrative Handbook. (LoAR April 1999, p. 20) 

Please inform the submitter that a translation of the text [on the bordure] should be included with the submission. (LoAR July 2000, p. 4) [R-Caid, Ævarr inn víðf{o,}rli." 

 

Pendar: Conflicts with Cassandra of the East Winds (3/78): Sable, on a plate, a flame gules. There is only 1 CD for all changes to the tertiary charge group by X.4.j. I found a couple of other ancient devices registered in the SCA that had 4 layers: A sable field, the plate, a tertiary on the plate, and then a charge on the tertiary. Those don't technically conflict with Catell's device because you would get one CD for changes to the tertiary and a second for the quarternary<?> charge group 

Ælfreda & Mikhail: Device: From Master François, in the January 2003 LOAR: 

"Ævarr inn víðf{o,}rli. Device. Azure, a dolphin and on a chief wavy argent the Norse runes tyr, urus, sig, isa, and isa sable.

No translation was provided for the word on the chief. The SCA requires that a translation be provided for any phrases used in armory: 

Secondly, a translation of the Arabic [used on the device submission] is required by Laurel precedent and the Administrative Handbook. (LoAR April 1999, p. 20) 

Please inform the submitter that a translation of the text [on the bordure] should be included with the submission. (LoAR July 2000, p. 4)" 

Also, from the Precedents of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane

"Letters and Runes 

[A pale issuant to base from a chevron throughout] This is merely a reblazoning of a Tir rune throughout and runes are symbols not permitted for use in Society devices. (LoAR 24 Jan 88, p. 6) 

The ban on registry of a single symbol in such a way as to reserve use of that symbol to an individual dates back to 1981, pre-dating its appearance in the rule cited.... It is not necessarily voided by the portion of the rules revision that allows symbols in devices. It should also be noted that there is no evidence for the use of runes in period armoury (unlike alphabetic symbols which are known). (LoAR 17 Jun 90, p. 18)" 

This device needs to be returned for not including a translation of the runes. François only mentions the missing translation, not whether runes are acceptable. The precedents from Alisoun state that runes are not acceptable for SCA devices. What is the current CoA thought on runes? 

 

{) Catell filius Matuc for teaghlach Cathail Vi Mael Maedoc. New Household Name.

(Youngstown, OH)

Name after [teaghlach] is the name of the head of the household “Catell filius Matuc”. The client has translated this into Gaelic to the best of his ability.

[Cathail}~ found in “Medieval Gaelic Clan, Household, and Other Group Names” by Sharon L. Kossa. Found online at http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/households.shtml

[Mael Madoc]~ found in “Index of Names in the Irish Annals” online at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/masculine/901-100.shtml  

Client cares most about meaning and specifies that [teaghlach] must be retained. He does not care about the specific form of Gaelic.  

The name is being returned for lack of documentation of teaghlach as well as improper formation of the clan name} 

Name Commentary 

Aryanhwy: Why did he translate this in to Gaelic when none of the elements are Gaelic??? No documentation was given for <teaghlach>, and I can't help with that. The Gaelic word for 'clan' is <clann>, which in Irish literally meant "children". <Vi> is incorrect; this is a typo for <ui>, which in turn is a feminine form of <ua>. Following <ua>, <Máel Máedoc> (note accents; the spelling in the header is incorrect), needs to be in the genitive. Talan Gwynek says: 

Thus, <Clann Cathail ua Maíle Máedoc> would be "clan of Cathal of [the clan of] Máel Máedoc". However, I know of no Gaelic clan that was named after the entire name of their founder, as opposed to constructed from just the given name or just the byname of the founder. 

John: Cathail: See Conway (p.32); Zaczek (P.21); also see comments above for 'Catell'.

Mael Maedoc: see O'Corrain & Maguire (pp129-130). 

 

2) Cu-Connacht O’Tighernain. (M) Name and Device Resubmission. Bendy sinister vert and erminois.

(Stonecroft)

[Cu-Connacht]~ from “Corpus of Electronic Texts Edition:T100001B The Annals of Ulster.”

Is mentioned several times in the text and translates as “hound of Connacht”

[O’Tighernain]~ is found in “Corpus of Electronic Texts Edition:”Annals pf Loch Cé AD 1014 to 1590”. The name is listed as [Mac Tighernain], but additional information found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/irishnam.html allows for the change to [O’Tighernain]  

Client will NOT accept MAJOR changes and wants his name authentic for 12th-14th Century Irish language/culture.  

Client’s previous name submission of Connacht O’Tighernain returned by Rouge Scarpe Nov 2002 for lack of documentation for [Connacht] without the [Cu]. The client has added the [Cu]. Device returned same letter for conflict with Brenna the Disinherited (Bendy sinister of four vert, argent, purpure and argent. reg’d 7/98). He has secured a letter from Brenna granting permission to conflict. 

 

Name Commentary 

Ary: - Minor changes are needed to make this grammatically correct. The given name is <Cú Chonnacht> pre c. 1200 and <Con Chonnacht> post c.1200. The name is found in the Irish annals in 1252, 1341, 1452, and 1524, per Mari's article "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Masculine Given Name" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/index.html). <Cú Chonnacht> is a header in OCM, which says "this was a favourite name among the Maguires and O Reillys in the later middle ages." <Tighernan> is an incorrect form; it should either be <Tigernán> (early) or <Tighearnán> (late). This name is found in 1202 and 1313 in the Irish annals (op cit). <O'Tighernain> is incorrect; it mixes Gaelic and English orthography in the same phrase, which is not possible nor registerable. The correct early form would be <ua Tigernáin> and the later form would be <Ó Tighearnáin>. Given the dates that these names are found, both <Cú Chonnacht ua Tigernáin> (early) and <Con Chonnacht Ó Tighearnáin> (late) are reasonable, and both would be appropriate for either the early part or the later part of his period. 

Talan: No, <Cú Chonnacht> is fine for both periods; <Con Chonnacht> is simply the genitive case of the name (in both periods). 

John: Cu-Connach: see O'Corrain & Maguire (pp 63-64); 'Connacht' is aspirated as 'Chonnacht', which is correct grammatically. O'Tighernain: see O'Corrain & Maguire (pp 170-171); Quin (p.173) Norman (p.230) lists it as common in Ireland in the period 1170-1536. 

Device Commentary 

Pendar: Lovely! No conflicts found through 01/03. 

 

3) Eideard an Gobhainn. (M) New Device. Per pale gules and sable, four swords interlaced in square argent hilted Or.

(Athens, OH)  (Name reg: 9/95) 

Reblazoned as Per pale gules and sable, four swords fretted in square proper. 

 

Device Commentary 

Ary: Reblazon: "...fretted in square proper." Argent, hilted Or is the default for swords. Versus Eyrný Ormarsdóttir (reg 05/94 via Middle), "Per pale gules and sable, a sheaf of rapiers inverted within an orle of lozenges argent," there is one CD for the arrangement of the swords and one for removing the lozenges. 

Pendar: I found no conflicts through 01/03.

The grips of the swords should really be gold also to help maintain sufficient contrast with the field, but I doubt that they need to be returned for a redraw.

The blazon definitely needs some tweaking. The swords are "proper" and "fretted", but how to indicate the peculiar orientation is eluding me.

Consider Ian of Nightsgate (1/90 via the Outlands): Argent, a sun between a fret of four swords sable.

In this case, the swords are fretted just like Eideard's swords, but form a mascle, like "a fret" would, rather than a square. I mention this only because "a fret of four swords" seems like a more concise blazon than describing their individual orientation.

I was only able to find one example of a fret or fretted objects turned to form a square like this:

Edward of Effingham (5/82 via Meridies): Argent, a fret crosswise within a bordure sable.

So, based on these blazons, Eideard's blazon would probably be: Per pale gules and sable, a fret of four swords crosswise proper.

I would definitely be able to reproduce the emblazon on the ILoI from this blazon, but both Ian's and Edward's blazons are archaic by today's standards. I would still send it up noting both of them as the source of your blazon on the LoI. That way, if Eideard's blazon is "fixed", then Ian's and Edward's can be "fixed" also. 

Ælfreda & Mikhail: Device: The swords are not in their default orientation, so they be better blazoned as "point to hilt". Also, the color version has the grip being sable/dark gray, as opposed to the blazon which is simply Or. This produces poor contrast with the underlying field. 

 

4) Érennach ingen uí Rónaín. (F) Device Resubmission. Argent a domestic cat couchant contourny vert, a chief nebuly azure.

(Owensboro, KY) {Name reg: 2/02}

Previous devious submission, Argent vetu ploye azure, a domestic cat couchant contourny vert, was returned by Rouge Scarpe October 2001 for various stylistic considerations with the drawing of the cat . The client has dropped the vetu ploye of the field, added a chief and redrawn the cat more “couchant”. 

 

Device Commentary 

Ary: No conflicts found. 

Pendar: Nicely drawn! No conflicts found through 01/03. 

 

5) Fiore Giovanni. (M) New Name.

(Toledo, OH)

[Fiore]- found in the “Online Catasto of 1427” online at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ferrante/catasto/ 1 occurrence.

[Giovanni]~ ibid. 785 occurrences (as a patronymic)

Client wishes a name authentic to Florence, Italy 14th to 15th centuries. 

Name Commentary

Ary: Lovely name 

 

6) Hallkell surtr. (M) Name and Device Resubmission. Gyronny of 8 purpure and Or, a dragon’s head argent issuant from flames azure.

(Walbridge, OH)

Both names found in “Viking Names Found in the Landnámabók” by Sara L. Friedemann dated circa 11th century latest.

Client does not care about authenticity.  

Original name (Hall Kell Surtr-thorn) and device returned by rouge Scarpe August 2002. He has adopted Ary’s suggestion for his resubmitted name and simplified his device to a Gyronny of 8 (original submission was a Gyronny of 22) as well as simplifying the azure flames and putting his dragon more in profile-- (original was trian). 

 

Name Commentary: 

Ary: The URLs for the supporting documentation were not included on the LoI. They are: 

"Viking Names found in the Landnámabók" http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/landnamabok.html

for <Hallkell>, which is found between 4 and 5 times 

"Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók" http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/vikbynames.html

for <surtr>, which means 'black' and is found once. 

The byname should not be capitalized to confirm with period practice and current precedent. 

Device Commentary: 

Ary: Gyronny purpure and Or_" Gyronny of eight is the default, so this doesn't need to be explicitly blazoned. This isn't just a dragon's head, it's also part of the neck. I'm not quite sure how to blazon this. 

Pendar: No conflicts found through 01/03. 

 

{) Helmut von Reineck. (M) Device Resubmission. Per pale gules and Or, a cross crosslet fitchy counterchanged engraved sable.

(Rock Island, IL)

{Name reg: 10/02}

Device ( Per pale gules and bendy gules and Or cotised sable, to dexter a cross crosslet fitchy Or engraved sable) returned by Rouge Scarpe June 2002 for presenting a “marshalled” appearance. Client has simplified his field and centered his primary charge which should clear this problem. 

This is being returned for conflict with Eleanor FitzPatrick (1/98), Per pale gules and Or, a cross quadrate couped counterchanged. There is only 1CD for changing the type of cross. 

Device Commentary 

Ary: - This conflicts with Eleanor FitzPatrick (reg. 01/98 via the East), "Per pale gules and Or, a cross quadrate couped counterchanged." There is one CD for the type of cross, but I don't believe that these are different enough crosses to be cleared via X.2. 

Ælfreda & Mikhail: Device: We cannot find the term "engraved" in Parker. The "engraving" does not appear to be a significant part of the design, especially since there is poor contrast with the gules half of the cross. As such, we find conflict with Eleanor FitzPatrick (reg 1/98) "Per pale gules and Or, a cross quadrate couped counterchanged." There is one CD for changing the type of cross. 

Pendar: I don't imagine that the "engraving" will count for difference, so this might conflict with Eleanor FitzPatrick (1/98 via the East): Per pale gules and Or, a cross quadrate couped counterchanged. If they are not considered substantially different, then there is only 1 CD for changing the type of cross. I suspect that they are substantially different, but it will take a Laurel ruling to determine that for sure. I recommend that it be passed up with a warning to the submitter that it might get returned for conflict with Eleanor's device.} 

 

7} Honora Northgate. (F) New Name & Device. Sable, an anchor Or within a bordure argent.

(Pierre, SD)

In Withycombe under Honor she cites that Honora, Onora and Annora are found in the 12th to 14th C. Then Reaney & Wilson under Norgate, Norgett; cites Gilber de Northgate in 1239. Other entries for the surname are de Nordgat 1198 and del Nortgate 1277. Client cares most about sound and wants a 12th to 13th C. English name. Perhaps it should more accurately be Honora de Northgate based on the documentation submitted. 

Name Commentary: 

Ary: Since she wants a 12th-13th C name, yes, the byname should be corrected to one of the spellings cited on the LoI; <de Northgate> will preserve the sound the best. 

Roberd: No comment on the name. 

Device Commentary: 

Ary: There are a couple of close calls with the device, but all are at least two CDs away. 

Pendar: No conflicts found through 12/02. 

Roberd: The device, as has been noted, has several "near misses" for conflict. It also has several with only one CD: 

These are only three of several items with a blazon of Sable, <an object> Or within a bordure argent. However, as all of these are RfS X.2 simple, there are no conflicts. 

 

8} Idonie Tait. (F) Name Change (from Daria Tayt, reg 1/95)

(Thiensville, WI)

The client is requesting that we change her registered name from Daria Tayt to Idonie Tait. She cits that on p. 38 of "The Lady in Medieval England 1000-1500" by Peter Coss (ISN #0-905-778-367) and the wax seal of Idonie de Hurst (Kent, 12th C.). She states that in this book the author latinized most of the names, but the seal is clearly has her name as Idonie, and a copy of the seal is included. She would also accept Idony or Idonia and provides www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reney.cgi?Idonea which dates Idonia to about 1342 and Idony to 1273 and 1274. (Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames by Reaney and Wilson - by Talan Gwynek). For Tait she cites Reaney & Wilson, Dictionary of English Surnames under the entry Tait, Teyte, which dates Tait to 1185, Teyt to 1279 and Tayte to 1301. If the college decides to go with Idony she would like the surname to be Teyt and if they decide to go with Idonia she wants Tayte. Clients cares most about language/culture and wants the name that matches as closely as possible to the same time period but is open to the time period being 12th, 13th, or 14th C. 

Name Commentary: 

Ary: The name is fine. (I helped the submitter document the hell out of it, so I hope no one else comes up with any problems!) Her previous name, <Daria Tayt>, was registered 01/95 via the Middle. The default action is to release the old name upon registration of the new. She has a device registered 04/96, and a badge registered 01/90. 

Roberd: I will only say that if someone can verify the reference showing the seal containing the name <Idonie> with that spelling, I would recommend that it be registered as is. I believe Aryanhwy stated she was a consulting herald on that one, so she should have access to the reference work.  

 

9} Jeronimus Northgate. (M) New Name {and Device Quarterly vert and sable, a natural leopard Or, marked sable.}

(Pierre, SD)

In Withycombe under Jerome he cites Jeronimus and Geronimus found in records from the 12th C and she specifically mentions Jeronimus found in 1199. Reaney & Wilson under Norgate, Norgett; cites Gilber de Northgate in 1239. Other entries for the surname are de Nordgat 1198 and del Nortgate 1277. Again, based on the documentation provided the name should more accurately be Jeronimus de Northgate. 

{The Device is being returned for multiple conflicts cited below. }  

 

Name Commentary: 

None 

Device Commentary: 

Ary: The marking must be blazoned on the leopard; a natural leopard need not be marked as it would be in nature unless it is a natural leopard proper, in which case the markings would be assumed to be present. I could easily have a natural leopard vert if I wanted. I believe the proper coloring for a natural leopard would be "Or, marked sable," so if the College wishes to shorten the blazon, "a natural leopard rampant proper" would work. However, these arms conflict with United Provinces (reg. 12/94 via Laurel), "Gules, a lion rampant crowned Or maintaining a sword proper and a sheaf of seven arrows inverted argent tipped Or." (Important non-SCA arms). There is one CD for the field, but there is none between a lion and a leopard, and none for the removal of the maintained charges or the crown. 

It also conflicts with Bulgaria (reg. 12/94 via Laurel), "Gules, a lion rampant crowned Or." (Important non-SCA arms). There is one CD for the field. 

Conflict also with William MacQueen of MacQueen (reg. 12/80 via the East), "Per bend argent and azure, a mountain lion [Felis concolor] rampant proper," with one CD for the field. 

Two more conflicts with important non-SCA armory: Rhine, Palatinate of the (reg. 12/94 via Laurel), "Sable, a lion rampant Or crowned gules." and Belgium (also the arms of Brabant) (reg. 12/94 via Laurel), "Sable, a lion rampant Or." 

AElfreda & Mikhail: Device: We are unsure about this device, as we do not know how to apply the following precedents: 

"From: Master Da'ud ibn Auda

second year of his second tenure; covering the period July, 1994 to June, 1996

[a snow leopard spotted vs various unspotted cats] [There is a CD] for the addition of the spots (effectively a semy, and worth the same CD as any addition of a tertiary charge or tertiary charge group). (Marke von Mainz, 5/95 p. 2) 

From Dame Elsbeth Anne Roth

[a cat sejant argent striped sable] Conflict with ... a snow leopard sejant argent, spotted sable, and ... a striped silver tabby cat sejant guardant proper. There is no difference given for the change in the markings ... [Aodhnait Máire Siobhàn ní Nuanáin, 01/00 <http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2000/01/00-01lar.html>, R-Artemisia] 

From:

Master François la Flamme as Laurel Principal King of Arms

[a natural tiger couchant guardant contourny Or marked sable] The device conflicts with ... Gules, in pale a Grecian façade argent and a cat couchant to sinister guardant Or. There is one CD for removing the second primary charge (the façade). There is no difference for changing the type of cat, or for the tincture change represented by the markings, which are less than half the charge. This also conflicts with ... Gules, a lion dormant contourny Or, a chief wavy argent. There is one CD for the removing the chief but nothing for the changing the posture from dormant to couchant guardant. Again, there is no difference between types of cats. [Sheila Stuart, 11/01, R-Meridies]" 

As we read it, Master François says that stripes are not a CD. Dame Elsbeth says there is no heraldic difference between stripes and spots. Therefore, we conclude that spots are not a CD. This directly conflicts with Master Da'ud statement that spots are worth a CD. What is the current thought on this matter? 

Master François comment also implies no CD between lions, natural tigers and cats. We are assuming that natural leopard would fall into the same category. If spots are not a CD, we find conflict with United Provinces (reg 12/94) "Gules, a lion rampant crowned Or maintaining a sword proper and a sheaf of seven arrows inverted argent tipped Or. Bulgaria (reg 12/94) "Gules, a lion rampant crowned Or", Rhine, Palatinate of the (reg 12/94) "Sable, a lion rampant Or crowned gules", and Belgium {also arms of Brabant} (reg 12/94) "Sable, a lion rampant Or". In all cases, there is one CD for field, but nothing for the crown or maintained charges. 

Pendar: No difference is granted between a natural leopard and any other kind of cat. No difference is granted for the markings on the natural leopard. Both of these statements are supported by the recent precedent: [a natural tiger couchant guardant contourny Or marked sable] The device conflicts with ... Gules, in pale a Grecian façade argent and a cat couchant to sinister guardant Or. There is one CD for removing the second primary charge (the façade). There is no difference for changing the type of cat, or for the tincture change represented by the markings, which are less than half the charge. This also conflicts with ... Gules, a lion dormant contourny Or, a chief wavy argent. There is one CD for the removing the chief but nothing for the changing the posture from dormant to couchant guardant. Again, there is no difference between types of cats. [Sheila Stuart, 11/01, R-Meridies]

That means that Jeronimus's device will conflict with any single rampant gold cat, such as: Catriona nicChlurain for House Opal Cross (3/80 via Caid): Gules, a domestic cat rampant guardant Or, grasping in its dexter forepaw a cross formed of six white-based opals proper. United Provinces, Important non-SCA arms (12/94 via Laurel): Gules, a lion rampant crowned Or maintaining a sword proper and a sheaf of seven arrows inverted argent tipped Or.

Bulgaria, Important non-SCA arms (12/94 via Laurel): Gules, a lion rampant crowned Or.

William MacQueen of MacQueen (12/80 via the East): Per bend argent and azure, a mountain lion [Felis concolor] rampant proper.

Kentiggerma the Rebellious (5/81 via Ansteorra): Per fess purpure and argent, a lion rampant reguardant counterchanged, its tail enflamed Or, maintaining in the sinister forepaw a sword argent enflamed Or.

Rhine, Palatinate of the, Important non-SCA arms (12/94 via Laurel): Sable, a lion rampant Or crowned gules.

Belgium, Also the arms of Brabant, Important non-SCA arms (12/94 via Laurel): Sable, a lion rampant Or.

Laszlo Oroszlanveri (7/71): Vert, a lion rampant dismembered Or, multiply vulned gules.

In each case there is only 1 CD for changes to the field. 

 

Roberd: The device, as has been noted in Aryanhwy's comments, has multiple conflicts. 

 

10) Jocelin De La Montjoie. (F) New Name and Device. Per bend sinister argent and azure, sea-lion erect Or maintaining a goblet and two arrows sable in his sinister paw, an orle of cross crosslets fitchy counterchanged.

(Iron Oak)

[Jocelin]~found in “The Origins of English Surnames” by P.H. Reaney p.294 dated to 1210

[Montjoie]~ibid p. 72 under the heading: Surnames from French and Continental places, dated to 1219. 

Client cares most about sound and wishes her name authentic to 13th-16th century French. 

Name Commentary 

Ary: The client is aware that <Jocelin> was a feminine name in period? Withycombe s.n. Jocelyn says "The use of <Jocelyn> as a girl's name seems to be quite modern." She dates <Jocelin(us)> to 1196, 1273, 1285, and <Joscelin> 1199, in England. Reaney & Wilson s.n. Jocelyn give the Old French roots as <Goscelin>, <Gosselin>, <Joscelin>, "diminutives of compounds with <Gos-> or <Goz->, or of Old French <Josse> (Old Breton <Judoc>)." <Jocelin> or <Josselin> is found once as a masculine name in Arval Benicoeur's "French Names from Two Thirteenth Century Chronicles" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/crusades/), however, these list modern spellings. I could find no later citation for this name, so it's only appropriate, barring further evidence, for the earlier part of her period. Is it just <Montjoie> that is dated in Reaney, or is it the full construction <de la Montjoie>? If the former, the more expected construction would be <de Montjoie>, without the article. If the preposition and the article both appear, then they should not be capitalized, e.g. <de la Montjoie>. I also couldn't find any other reference to a place <Montjoie> in France. 

Talan: RW s.n. <Mountjoy>: <Gilbert de Montgoye> 1219, <Elias Munjoye> 1243, <Robert de Mountgay> or <de Mungay> 13th c., <John Mountjoye> 1307. DR s.n. <Mons> have Montjoi (Aude, Latinized <de Monte Joi> 1232; Tarn-et-Garonne); Montjoie (Ariège; Doubs; two in Manche, one Latinized <de Monte Gaudi> 1369-70; Lot-et-Garonne); and Lamontjoie (Lot-et-Garonne). The last would justify a French locative byname <de Lamontjoie>, earlier quite likely <de la Montjoie> or the like. 

Device Commentary 

Pendar: No conflicts found through 01/03.

A slight blazon tweak:

Per bend sinister argent and azure, a sea-lion erect Or maintaining a goblet and two arrows sable in its sinister paw within an orle of cross crosslets fitchy counterchanged.

Although the color emblazon is painted in nice dark oranges and browns, I suspect that technically there is insufficient contrast between the identifying parts of the gold lion and the argent half of the field.

[Gyronny sable and argent, a wolf statant purpure...] Even though the field is evenly divided of a color and metal, most of the identifying parts of the wolf are on sable areas of the field, making the wolf unidentifiable. [Wulfgar Neumann, 01/01, R-Outlands]

Basically what Jocelin has is a similar situation where only the tail of the critter has sufficient contrast with the field. 

 

11) Katherin verch Rhys (F) New Name and Device. Per fess argent and sable, in pale a dragon couchant gules and a lacy knot argent.

(Euclid, OH)

“Women’s Names in the First Half of 16th Century Wales (with particular attention to the surnames of married women)” by Heather Rose Jones online at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welshWomen16/welshWomen16.html#data

[Katherin] is listed in the “given Names” section.

[Rhys] is listed under “Elements appearing in Women’s Surnames”. 

Client will NOT accept MAJOR changes, cares most about sound and wants a Welsh name. 

Reblazoned Per fess argent and sable,a dragon couchant gules and a lacy knot argent. 

Name Commentary 

Ary: This is a lovely name 

Talan: It has one small blemish: <Rhys>, the standard modern spelling, is unusual in period (though not unknown). Paging through abstracts of early Welsh Chancery proceedings I see such forms as <Rise> 1529, <Rice> 1533-38, <Rys> 1533-38, <Res> 1538-44, and <Ryce> 1538-44. My rough impression is that <Rice> and <Res> are especially common in these documents in the early 15th c. 

John: Katherin: client's source is OK

Rhys: see Morgan & Morgan (pp.185-186); Rowlands (p.143 under 'Rees'); Gruffud (p.83); Norman (p.173, p.180, p.185). 

Device Commentary 

Ary: Blazon-fu: "Per fess argent and sable, a dragon couchant gules and a Lacy knot argent." 

Pendar: This is awfully close to but clear of Per fess argent and sable, a dragon passant contourny gules and a katana bendwise sinister argent. (Ivan Leicester, LoAR 10/02, Artemisia)

There is 1 CD for changing the posture/orientation of the dragon as per RfS X.4.h, and a second CD for changing the type of the charge on the bottom as per RfS X.4.e.

Like with Ivan's blazon, when two charges are placed on a field divided per fess, it is unnecessary to say that they are "in pale" as that is the default arrangement for that type of field.

No conflicts found through 01/03. 

 

12) Konrad Mailander. (M) Release of Registered Badge. Per fess sable and argent, two feathers fracted in chevron counterchanged. Registered 10/96

(Red Spears)

{Name reg:6/94} 

 

13) Konrad Mailander for Haus Mailander. New Household Name{ and Badge. Per bend gules and sable, a bear passant bendwise Or.}

(Red Spears)

{Name reg: 6/94}

[Haus]~ German for ‘house’. Found in any German-English Dictionary.

[Mailander]~ name is already registered to client and grandfatherable.  

 

{The badge is being returned for conflict with Aleksandr Belogorskov (reg 4/99) Per bend sinister vert and gules, a bear rampant Or. A bear rampant and a bear passant bendwise look too similar to grant a CD.}  

Name Commentary:  

Ary: The documentation on the LoI is insufficient: Surnames are not automatically available for use in household names. From the Returns section of the 12/02 LoAR: 

The LoAR is not clear whether the construction <House> + <Surname>is found in German as one of the "other languages in late period." Suchevidence should have been presented on the LoI. However, from the Acceptances section of the 11/02 LoAR is this: 

"Arkell vom Cophus. Household name Haus vom Cophus and badge. (Fieldless) A cross potent per pale vert and sable. 

Submitted as Haus von Cophus, we have changed the preposition from von to vom, as the submitter specifically allows. A discussion of von versus vom in the byname von Cophus is given in the name registration for Arkell vom Cophus above. As an inherited surname may include the preposition vom, this house name is registerable using the construction Haus + inherited surname." 

If <Mailander> can be thought of as an inherited surname (I don't know what language or era this is from, so I cannot say), then <Haus Mailander> should be registerable. 

Talan:

> If <Mailander> can be thought of as an inherited surname

> (I don't know what language or era this is from, so I

> cannot say), then <Haus Mailander> should be registerable. 

It's German, an ethnic term meaning 'one from Milan'. (The German name of Milan is <Mailand>.) It can certainly be an inherited surname. 

 

Device Commentary 

Ælfreda & Mikhail: Badge: From the precedents of Master François: 

"[A bear passant bendwise sable] Conflict with the City of Berlin, Argent, a bear rampant sable. There is one CD for the change of field. Rampant animals often have a bendwise body posture, so rampant may often look much like passant bendwise. There seems to be no period pattern of use of passant bendwise animals other than those animals which lay on a bend. Therefore this bear cannot be given difference for posture from a bear rampant. [Tirloch of Tallaght, 10/01, R-Atlantia]" 

We find conflict with Aleksandr Belogorskov (reg 4/99) "Per bend sinister vert and gules, a bear rampant Or." There is one CD for the field. 

Pendar: No conflicts found through 01/03. 

 

14) Mathias of Westlake. (M) New Name{ and Device. Per pale embattled vert and Or, a hand clenched argent a sinister hand apalmy sable.

(Cynnabar)}

[Mathias]~ Withycombe s.n. Matthew lists Matthias as a header form and dates Matheus to 12th-14th century.

[Westlake] Reaney & Wilson p. 483 s.n. Westlake lists Westlake in the header [Martin de Westlak’] to 1211. 

Client cares most about sound. 

{The Device is being returned for violation of the "sword and dagger ruling", using two variants of the same charge on the same piece of armory. In addition, the submission forms were not fully filled out - there were no mini-emblazons drawn on the forms as required.} 

Name Commentary: 

None 

Device Commentary 

Ælfreda & Mikhail: Device: The CoA has registered devices with two or more hands, left & right on the same devices. From our review, it appears that all such cases have the hands in identical, or at least symmetrical, poses. This is not true for this device. Would it therefore violate the "sword & dagger" rule? 

From the Precedents of Jaelle of Armida: 

"By combining rosebuds and roses the submission violates our "sword and dagger" rule, by using two variants of the same charge on the same piece of armory. Armory is used for identification. Using two variants of the same charge in the same piece of armory is visually confusing. [The submission was returned for this and another reason, with the statement that either was sufficient cause for return.] (Uilleam Nial McAndrew, 4/98 p. 19)" 

 

Pendar: [a dexter gauntlet clenched apaumy vs a dexter gauntlet appaumy] The clenching is an artistic detail which does not contribute difference. (William MacGregor, 5/98 p. 22)

And since there is no difference granted between a clenched hand and a hand apalmy:

By combining rosebuds and roses the submission violates our "sword and dagger" rule, by using two variants of the same charge on the same piece of armory. Armory is used for identification. Using two variants of the same charge in the same piece of armory is visually confusing. [The submission was returned for this and another reason, with the statement that either was sufficient cause for return.] (Uilleam Nial McAndrew, 4/98 p. 19) 

 

15) Matilda Hanscombe. (F) New Device. Vert, a hand argent sustaining a comb Or.

{Name reg:2/98}

[Esct comment: perfect cant!} 

Device Commentary 

Ary: Lovely device! 

Ælfreda & Mikhail Device: From the color copy, the blazon is argent. Corrected blazon: "Vert, a hand argent sustaining a comb Or." 

Pendar: The color emblazon shows the hand being argent, not Or. So blazon-fu:

Vert, a hand argent sustaining a comb Or.

No conflicts found through 01/03. I wonder if the posture of this hand can be specified, or if it even needs to be. I also wonder if this can be identified at a distance since the objects overlap significantly and have low contrast with each other... Neither of these speculations are cause for return. 

 

16) Orianna De L’Isle. (F) New Name {and Device. Argent, a Talbot counter-passant sable between three lilies azure, a bordure gules.}

(Aurea Ripae)

[Orianna] Withycombe’s “Oxford Dictionary of English Names” p.234 cites [Oriana} as a header “Madrigal writers applied the name Oriana to Queen Elizabeth…”Oriana Palfreyman of W.Toynto, Lines., was excommunicated in 1602”  

Client wishes to maintain her current spelling, cares most about sound and isinterested in having her name authentic to early 14th century England specifically Yorkish. 

{The device is being returned for redrawing. The bordure is much too thin, and the Talbot is not sable as drawn; it is brown and black.} 

Name Commentary: 

Ary: I was unable to find any evidence for <Oriana> or <Orianna> in the early 14th C England. Withycombe says that "madrigal writers applied the name <Oriana> to Queen Elizabeth, and Ben Jonson used it for Anne of Denmark." This makes it look as though <Oriana> originated as an allegorical type name, and that the <Oriana> who was excommunicated in 1602 may very well be one of the first actual people with this as their given name. I cannot support the name with two <n>s. 

The byname is undocumented on the LoI. Reaney & Wilson s.n. Iles have <del Ile> 1275 and <Iles> 1560 'dweller in the isle'. The byname should be changed to one of the documented forms; <del Ile> is more appropriate for her period, but <Iles> is more temporally consistent with the given name. 

Talan: According to De Felice, <Oriana> is an Italian version of <Oriane>, the name of the beloved of Amadis of Gaul in the Spanish romance _Amadís de Gaula_. According to the Reader's Encyclopedia the earliest extant version is from 1508, but the story was known in both Spain and Portugal at least as early as the 14th century. It was enormously popular in the 16th century. In England, at least, the name is almost certainly very late. 

Device Commentary: 

Ary: The border is too narrow. This must be redrawn. 

Ælfreda & Mikhail: Device: Although blazoned sable, the talbot is actually sable, marked brown, similar to a Doberman or Rottweiler. (Good dog, Carl!) 

Pendar: The talbot is not just sable, it is sable with brown parts. That fact must be specifically blazoned, and since there is no proper tincture for a talbot and no way to prove that "natural talbots" have brown markings, this will have to be returned for a redraw. It should be returned for a redraw anyway since the bordure is way too narrow.

I believe the term "passant contourny" is preferable to "counter-passant" since that latter implies that there is another charge passant that this one can be "counter-passant" to...

Although there were several similar concepts, there were no conflicts through 01/03. 

 

17) Ötwin Glantz. (M) New Name {and Device. Per fess argent and gules, a Latin cross sable and a Gorgon’s head cabossed argent, a bordure vert semé of oak leaves Or.}

(Aurea Ripae) 

J.K.Brechenmacher, Etymologisches Wörterbuch der Deutschen Familiennamen; s.n. [Ot(t)win]

Hans Bahlow, Deutsches Namenlexikon; s.n. [Öttwein] cites [Ötwin v[on] Homessingen] 1290 and same as Brechenmacher [Benz Ötwin] 1356.Brechenmacher; s.n. [Glanz], [Hans Glantz] 1402.

Client will NOT accept MAJOR changes, cares most about meaning, and wishes a name authentic to 14th century Bavaria. 

{The device is being returned for re-drawing. The oak leaves as drawn are NOT Or…they are a mix of argent and vert. There is also the complexity issue to consider. The device would be much better if the client were to simplify it upon resubmission.} 

 

Name Commentary: 

Ary: The name is fine, but I cannot opine on its suitability for Bavaria. 

Talan: Probably okay; Brechenmacher's citations for both elements are from Württemberg, geographically and dialectally fairly close. 

Device Commentary 

Ary: The device has a complexity count of 9 (five tinctures: argent, gules, sable, vert, Or; four charges: bordure, cross, Gorgon's head, leaves), and thus violates the rule of thumb limit of 8 in RfS VIII.1.a 

Ælfreda & Mikhail: Device: With a complexity count of nine (argent, gules, sable, vert, Or, cross, head, bordure, leaves), we recommend return. 

Pendar: The bordure makes this more complex than it needs to be, but I guess it probably has some significance to the submitter. There is a complexity count of nine. Five tinctures, (argent, gules, sable, vert, and Or), and four different charges, (cross, gorgon head, bordure, and leaves). That could get it returned from Laurel, but there is no guarantee of that. No conflicts found through 01/03. 

 

18) Peter Trevor. (M) Device resubmission Per bend sinister bevilled azure and argent.

Name registered 5/00 

Device Commentary:

Ary: This is not a new device, this is a device resubmission. His previous submission, "Per bend sinister bevilled azure and argent," was returned on the 07/00 LoAR with the following note: 

This is correctly drawn per Bruce's precedent. 

AE & M: This is clear of Cleftlands, Barony (reg 12/85) "Per bend sinister nebuly argent and azure" and Rowenna de Manning (reg 4/93) "Per bend sinister rayonny argent ermined azure, and azure." There is one CD for changing the style of partition line. Cleftlands is a second CD for reversing the tinctures, while Rowenna's is actually half reversed, half changed. 

Pendar: The bevilled line is correctly drawn as per the 1992 precedent. That alone is not enough to clear it from Per bend sinister azure and argent. (Sabine Berard, LOAR 05/02, Meridies) 

Roberd: No conflicts found. Interestingly, there are no other registered examples of Per bend sinister that are uncharged. 

 

19) Sean Dryw. (M) New Name and Device. Gules goutty de flame argent, on a fess argent a salamander passant contourny sable enflamed proper.

(Cleftlands)

[Sean]~ O’Corrainm Donnchadh and Fidelma Maguire, “Irish Names” (Dublin: The Lilliput Press 1990) p.163.

[Dryw]~Reaney, P.H. & R.M. Wilson, “A Dictionary of English Surnames” p. 107 under “Drew” header [William Dryw], 1275 

Client’s primary concern is that he retains the name [Dryw] as spelled in the submission. 

Reblazon: Gules semy of flames, on a fess argent a salamander passant contourny sable enflamed proper. 

Name Commentary: 

Ary: The documentation for the given name is inadequate. OCM s.n. Seaan say that this name is "a borrowing through French <Jehan> of the Latin <Johannes>...it was brought into Ireland by the Anglo-Norman settles but it was soon adopted by the Irish." This would be much better as <John Dryw>, but <Sean Dryw> is registerable. 

Device Commentary 

Ary - The little beasty on the fess is not identifiable. It reminds me of a plastic brontosaurus I had as a kid.  

Pendar: Blazon-fu: Gules semy of flames, on a fess argent a salamander passant contourny sable enflamed proper. The flames on the field allowed this to clear the potential conflicts. No conflicts found through 01/03. 

 

{) Shammus Blackhart the Smith. (M) New Name and Device. Argent, a heart and an anvil in pale within a bordure sable}.

(Three Walls)

[Shamus]~Withycombe p.266

[Black]~P.H. Reaney, “Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames”, p.46

[Hart]~ Reaney, p. 219 

{The name is being returned for a lack of documentation for Shammus. The Device must be returned with the name.} 

Name Commentary: 

Ary: This is not a new submission but a resubmission. His previous name, <Black Hart the Smith>, was returned by Rouge Scarpe 08/99 for no given name. His device, "Argent, in pale a heart and an anvil, a bordure sable," was returned at the same time, for lack of name to send it forward. 

All that Withycombe says s.n. Shamus is "phonetic rendering of <Seumus>, Irish form of <James>." This gives no indication that <Shamus> is a medieval name. <Shamus> is not in my brand-spanking new copy of Black (birthday gift from my boyfriend - hint to all heralds without much money: start dating someone who gives you books as holiday gifts!), but this is not too surprising as OCM s.n. Seumas indicates that this is a modern development in Ireland only. 

Without evidence that <Shamus> was used before 1600, or that <Shammus> was ever used, this must be returned. 

Reaney & Wilson s.n. Black have <leblac> 1130, <Blac> 1198, <le Blacke> 1275. While there are many constructions of <black> + <body part> (cf Blackers 'black arse', Blackett 'black head', Blackie 'black eye', Blacklock 'black lock', Blackman 'black man', these are all of visible physical characteristics, and so do not support a more allegorical 'black heart', which is what I believe the submitter is intending. 

For what it's worth, <Hart> does not mean 'heart', it means 'hart'. R&W s.n. Hart have <Hort> c1060, <Hert> 1166, <Hurt> 1185, <le Hert> 1197, <le Hurt> 1220, and <Hort> 1221. 

R&W s.n. Smith have <le Smyth> 1275, <le Smithes> 1279, <Smye> 1524, <atte Smythe>, <de la Smythe> 1313, <atte Smyth> 1332. 

However, even if he had a reasonable given name, I could not support something like <le Blacke le Hert le Smyth>; I have never seen three descriptive bynames in one person before. Even <le Blacke le Hert de la Smythe>, making the last a locative, does not make this name more reasonable. 

Talan: While there is an implication that <Shamus> is at least primarily Irish, there is no indication one way or the other whether the form is modern. Woulfe has <M'Shemus> and <M'Sheames> as ca.1600 Englishings of <Mac Séamuis>, and I'd not be surprised to find <Shemus> as an Englishing of the nominative <Séamus>, parallel to the attested Englishing <Shane> of <Seán>. (I'd be a bit more surprised to see <Shamus>.) However, it would definitely be a very not be surprised to find <Shemus> as an Englishing of the nominative <Séamus>, parallel to the attested Englishing <Shane> of <Seán>. (I'd be a bit more surprised to see <Shamus>.) However, it would definitely be a very late-period Englishing. 

On the other hand, RW s.n. <Goodhart> have <Godhierte> 1221 and <Goudhert> 1327 'good heart'. A parallel construction would be <Evelhert> 'evil heart' (cf. examples at RW s.n. <Evilchild>). 

 

20) Stephen of Acre (M) New Name & Device. Sable an escallop inverted, a bordure Or.

(Madison, WI)

The client provides copies of pages from "The Crusades, Five Centuries of Holy Wars", by Malcolm Billings, which mentions Stephen of Blois who was married to Adela, daughter of William the Conqueror. Stephen accompanied Robert of Normandy and Count Robert of Flanders on the First Crusade in 1096 during which Stephen died. He also mentions that the Latin form of the name is Stephanus. Acre is a city in the Kingdom of Jerusalem and was the last of the Crusader Kingdoms to fall in 1291. Client cares most about sound and wants a name for a 12th C. Crusader from the Kingdom of Acre.

My staff and I have determined that the First Crusade never went to Acre and the Stephen mentioned in the documentation died before the start of the Second Crusade. We also did not find any mention of a Stephen connected to Acre during the Crusades. 

Name Commentary: 

Ary: Given the information about which Crusade went to Acre, the submitter can't have "a name for a 12th Century Crusader from the Kingdom of Acre." Nicolaa de Bracton's article "A Statistical Survey of Given Names in Essex Co., England, 1182-1272" (http://members.tripod.com/nicolaa5/articles/names.html) has 45 instance of <Stephen>, making it a moderately popular name. 

Roberd: The fact that <Stephen> was a popular name from the late 12th through the late-middle 13th centuries has been established. Of more interest to me is the locative byname, and the submitter's desire to have a name of a "12th Century Crusader from the Kingdom of Acre". According to most of the literature I could find (primarily Robinson's "Born in Blood" and "Dungeon, Fire and Sword", and some Internet sites) the term <Kingdom of Acre> was only coined after Acre was recaptured on 12 July 1191, as the result of a siege by Richard the Lionheart and Philip Augustus during the Third Crusade. Prior to this point, and indeed for the next century, the Crusader States in the Holy Land were referred to as the <Kingdom of Jerusalem>, in spite of the fact that the Holy City had been lost to Saladin after his decisive victory at the Horns of Hattin in 1187. So, for a Crusader to be called "of Acre", he would have had to have arrived with King Richard for this Crusade, and would've already been a grown man (presumably with a byname already) in 1188-90. This is very late to establish a "12th Century Crusader" name. 

However, it is important to look at the history of Acre. As Keythong noted, the First Crusade did not go to Acre. This is misleading, however; the "official" end to the First Crusade is generally thought to be the taking of Jerusalem, which occurred in 1099. The Second Crusade did not begin until 1145 at the order of Pope Eugenius III. However, it should not be thought that the Crusaders from the First were laying around in Palestine for 46 years. To the contrary, King Baldwin I of Jerusalem made several forays into the field to expand the kingdom, and one of the successes he had came on 26 May 1104, when Acre surrendered to him and the Genoese fleet he had paid for a naval blockade. Acre remained in Crusader hands until 9 July 1187, when they surrendered to Saladin after Hattin. 

As you can see, Acre was only in Muslim control for 4 years before being retaken by the Crusaders of the Third. Acre would remain Christian until 18 May 1291, when the defenses were crushed by the Mameluke al-Ashraf Khalil. Acre was the last city of the Crusader kingdoms; no medieval Crusade ever landed in the Holy Land again. (References for dates: http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Archaeology/Akko.html and http://people.westminstercollege.edu/faculty/mmarkowski/sscle/ssclechr.html , among others.) 

Therefore, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that a man named <Stephen> might have been born to the Christian community in Acre during the first Crusader occupation. The Christians in Acre were permitted to leave by Saladin (for a ransom, of course) after the city's surrender in 1187, and our hypothetical <Stephen> might have departed, to return with Richard and Philip for the siege in 1190-91. 

All this said, I do not have the resources to *confirm* that male children born in Acre at that time were given the name <Stephen> in any form. 

Device Commentary 

Pendar: No conflicts found through 12/02. 

 

21) Stonecroft, Shire of. Device Resubmission. Gules, a fess embattled argent masoned sable between three laurel wreathes argent.

(Vincennes, IN)

{Name sent to Laurel Jan 2003}

Previous device submission (Argent, masoned sable, a mallet and feather in saltire gules, on a chief argent three laurel wreathes vert) returned by Rouge Scarpe 1/03 for metal on metal. New device redesign clears this problem. Petition of Support included. 

Device Commentary 

Pendar: Nice! No conflicts found through 01/03. 

 

22) Úlfr Hákonarson. (M) New Badge. Or, wings conjoined within a bordure sable.

{Name reg: 6/01}

Badge to be co-owned by Maryam bint Wahib ibn Ahmad. {Name reg’d: 10/02}  

Reblazon: Or, a vol within a bordure sable. 

{While we feel that the bordure is a bit narrow, I would rather err on the side of the client by sending it on to Laurel and educating the client that it must be drawn fatter} 

Badge Commentary: 

Ary: The bordure is far too narrow. This cannot be registered until it is redrawn. Also, the number of wings must be specified: "_two_ wings conjoined." This could also be blazoned as a "vol". This may conflict with William Guiscard, (reg. 03/89 via Meridies), "Or, a pair of bat's wings, conjoined and displayed, sable within a bordure countercompony vert and argent." There is one CD for the tincture of the bordure, but I'm not sure if there is one for bat wings vs. regular wings. The closest precedent I could find is from Da'ud II: 

"[a winged serpent vs a bat-winged tree python] The change to the type of wings is too slight to count for the necessary second. [i.e. there is not a significant difference between a bird-winged and a bat-winged creature.] (Onuphrius Dru Overende, 1/95 p. 14)" 

Whether or not this holds just for winged _creatures_ or for the wings themselves, I don't know. 

Pendar: Those "wings conjoined" are usually referred to as a "vol", so we have "Or, a vol within a bordure sable. The bordure is rather narrow, especially on the line drawing, which is what the CoA commenters are going to see.

Although there have been several vols on gold fields registered since the middle of 2002, I found no conflicts through 01/03. Amazing. 

Ælfreda & Mikhail: Feed the bordure. 

We find possible conflict with William Guiscard (reg 3/89) "Or, a pair of bat's wings, conjoined and displayed, sable within a bordure countercompony vert and argent." There is one CD for changing the tincture of the bordure, but are unsure of a second CD for bat wings versus bird wings. 

 

 

 

 

Done by my hand this xxx day of June, 2003 

 

 

Rory mac Feidhlimidh, OP

Rouge Scarpe Herald

820 E Monroe

Bloomington, IL 61701 

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