Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:46:56 -0500 From: steve@trinwords.com (Steve Trinward) Subject: Re: [lpaz-discuss] LP national press release To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com
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Robert - I just hope one day you learn how to express yourself in less COLLECTIVIST terms. "the lying bunch at National" -- to my knowledge at least -- consists right now of about a half dozen people who have manipulated the system over time.
Meanwhile, there are several folks (including many LNC members) who are dedicating themselves (in what they ludicrously call their "spare time") to digging OUT the lies and the deceptions and the cover-ups ... and trying to bring light into the process ...
To denigrate them as being "part of the problem" does NOTHING to help the cause!
- Steve Trinward (starting to wonder if some of you guys have Clue One about what this is really about ...)
randerson22@home.com wrote:
>
> My question is why do we care what the lying bunch at National
> say. They have resently proven everything we in AZ have been
> saying for the last few years. WE ARE FREE OF THEM and the deeper
> they pile the BS on this whole thing the more public crow they
> will need to eat if they ever want to repair the damage done.
> We are no longer part of that crumbling house and stand as an
> example to the other States to seek their freedom from the dark
> side. We meet in Flagstaff this weekend to join in with other
> AZ LIBERTARIANS to have fun, plot to forward freedom for us
> and to run the Arizona libertarians party and have no need or
> desire or care for any input from those scum or those that do
> their bidding from National. Write what you want the truth is
> known by those that have taken the time to find it and the rest
> will know over time were the truth is spoken.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> "Richard Winger" <ban@igc.org> Wrote on
> Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:12:55 -0700
> ------------------
> I want to defend the national LP press release about the history
> of what
> happened in Arizona in 2000 concerning the presidential race.
> What happened
> in Arizona in 2000 was similar to what happened to the Democratic
> Party in
> Alabama in 1964 and in 1968. The Democratic national convention
> those years
> didn't seat the delegates from Alabama. So the Democratic Party
> of Alabama
> refused to list the presidential candidate chosen by the national
> convention. LBJ wasn't on the ballot at all in Alabama in November
> 1964,
> and in November 1968, Hubert Humphrey only appeared as a minor
> party nominee
> in Alabama. And the press all reported this, in very similar
> terms to how
> the LP national office reported what happened in Arizona. It
> is indisputed
> that the national convention of the Libertarian Party chose Harry
> Browne.
> Therefore, any state unit of the Libertarian Party which didn't
> list Browne,
> "splinteed" from the national party's choice. Furthermore,
> delegates from
> the LP of Arizona did attend the Anaheim convention and were
> seated from
> states like Pennsylvania.
>
> It's traditional in this country that all the state units of
> a national
> party, respect the choice of the national convention, as to the
> presidential
> candidate. It's just common language, common ways of describing
> things, to
> use "splinter" for those rare occasions when the national choice
> for
> president is rejected by a state party.
>
> The Arizona LP chose L. Neil Smith tentatively on August 6, 2000.
> The
> Arizona LP didn't turn in his name to the Secretary of State
> until the
> deadline, September 6, to give the national committee a chance
> to recognize
> itsstate officers. If the national LP had recognized the state
> officers,
> Browne would have been listed instead. So, at the time the Az
> LP chose
> Smith tentatively, it still considered itself affiliated with
> the national
> LP.
>
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